Animation refuge thread # 3

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>>760
Like Ippo S3 will be well-animated

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5dB_9dW2SQ
They really did away with CG entirely. Not even using it for moving backgrounds.

>>760

Ippo S3 and good animation? Dream on.

And Kyoukai no Konata will probably have good action, but aside from that? Better not get your hopes up.
KyoAni these days is only average. Unfortunately.

>Kyoukai no Kanata
>2013

Nope

>>763
Ippo have bad animation ?

I didnt knew that

I remember the legendary gif fight from the celeb boxe technique

Gif used for "stop posting thing"

(this technique battle is real , i saw it on a video , but can't find it)

I'd love a new ashita no joe
I dont know ippo at all

>>Nice one !
I never heard about this anime

It's well animated !

New Hiroyuki Yamashita MAD to get hyped for next week's episode:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTslP4__E4s

http://i.imgur.com/mKLLYI9.gif
http://abload.de/img/bentenrybri.gif


Uchoten Kazoku #3

>>763
KyoAni these days is only average. Unfortunately.

Sure, they haven't made any shows on par or close to Nichijou/Hyouka's animation but by all means their works still tend to be among the best animated shows in the season that they air, I fail to see how that makes them merely "average".

Korra Book 2 ep 1 credits:

Director: Toshiyasu Kogawa
Animation director: Tsuguyuki Kubo

couldn't see any KA list from the comic-con footage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q21YtGLBq5A#t=7m00s

http://yozakura-anime.jp/

Updated

Uchoten Kazoku

looks cool
what's the story/concept of this anime ?

It's hype anime or something ?
never heard about it

>>771

>hoshi no umi bluray

well shit. this is great news

>>767
Can't wait!


>>768
Uchoten Kazoku #3 was a huge disappointment.


>>769
A show that is among the best of the season, or even better, does not automatically mean it have great animation.

And Hyouka is not a good example of KyoAni's animation, because it have too little movement as a whole. Take the K-On seasons for that spot.


>>771
The design of the new Yozakura Quartet is disgusting.

Uchoten Kazoku #3 sakuga is awesome.

>>775
And extremely short. Inoue might have another appearance in the series, though.

It sucks that he was the only noteworthy key animator from that episode.

Kinda off topic
But kaze tachinu seems to be a polemic in japan

I hope the sells will be good as usual
Ohira and Honda are on good combo , i hope the movie will not deserve them for their animator career.

Also i wonder if miyazaki himself animates today (professionnaly)

>>777
But kaze tachinu seems to be a polemic in japan
what about it?

I can't tell much because it's off topic

But to sum up , i read on kotaku that miyazaki is called traitor since his last movie and some interview he gave.

You gonna say "kotaku gaian" yeah i know.

>>778
some racist people are butt hurt about the film, that's all, it's not a big deal.

I give Miyazaki my respect for making an animated film about such a tough story.
This is about a plane designer who ended up living in a time of war.
People are butthurt but in real, miyzaki didn't glorify anything nor hurt anybodys feelings with the film.

>>778
koreans are raging over the films story.

Miyzaki said he wanted to glorify war and rape the audience.
And he hates everyone.

His movie is a guy who designs planes with the intention to terminate koreans, anericans and the chinese.

And niggas

>>781
>>782
>>783
>>784

Please go away and write your nonsense somewhere else.
Non of these have anything to do with the movie.

>>774
Hyouka has a lot of animation, what are you talking about? It's almost on par with K-On!!

Besides, the amount of movement isn't the only factor when talking about good or even consistent animation. The animation in Hyouka was particularly attentive and precise, so even if it's not as technically solid as Nichijou the show is still one of the most prominent (and certainly the most consistent) examples of convincing, accomplished character animation on TV.

>>785
You mean with animation or sakuga. But I can understand that people want to talk about something, but can't because summer is just your typical season animation-wise.
Fall, we can't wait!


Short movie from a fan:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUu-Bi4ilXE

>>787
People could just talk about old shows, things they're watching at the moment, or at the very least make Arasan jokes.

Posts like >>783 are the worst kind of shit.

Posting this since apparently no one brought it up, it's pretty rad:
http://vimeo.com/70463623

>>788
art-house sakuga

>>786

Who needs that kind of confusing shit? It's even totally wrong. Animation=movement, nothing else matters. You can like Hyouka and KyoAni, but don't come up with such bullshit. And:

>>Hyouka has a lot of animation, what are you talking about? It's almost on par with K-On!!

Sure thing.


Are there any news of good staff for upcoming episodes? Yoshinari Saito's Blood Lad #2 was awesome and I hope that the show will have more talent like him. It had only one good-animated scene, but the direction was great. An episode of Yasuhiro Takemoto as ED + SB on Free! would be nice.

>>790

Kigami's Free! episode is due this week.

>>790
>>791
Beside Free here Hiroyuki Yamashita's Naruto episode and Symphogear G#4 this week

>>792
Who's working on Symphogear G #4?

>>790

Hyouka's first episode was a lot more impressive than K-On's, although I admit admit I haven't gone past the latter's third episode. Hyouka goes for something different from K-On anyway, it's much more in line with the realistic animation we see in Takahata's works or the Digimon pilot. No giant sweatdrops, bulging veins, etc which to me are shortcuts for expressing emotion. The expressions, composition and movement in general help create a more convincing and lively portrayal of the characters. When the previous poster mentioned character animation, that's what came to mind.

Hyouka still has a  decent amount of movement, it's just that very little of it goes in the flashy/showboating area compared to something like Love Lab or Nichijou. It has the occasional drop (final episode of the festival) or misstep (digital work for the parade in the finale), it is a TV series after all. Even Dennou Coil has a sharp drop despite the staff on board.

Besides, animation is only one part of the visual package (possibly the most important because of the medium's name), designs, backgrounds, layouts and photography all play a role in making the work look and feel the way it does. Anime is still focused on painting a striking image compared to Western animation, something that stems from budget issues and its close relationship with manga.

Hyouka was full of movement, and just like the second season of K-ON, it was very attentive movement even down to movement of characters in the background and so on. The use of still-cuts and similar "animation" shortcuts is very limited. In general, there's almost always something moving in the frame. When Oreki is talking with Satoshi and his face is frozen (both as an expression and also in terms of animation, a held cut) they made sure to have one student passing by behind him in the background, for example.  The exceptions prove the rule and are true of K-ON as well.

Anyone who claims that Hyouka does not have a lot of movement has not seen it, period. For a TV series it is very rich in animation, and most definitely comparable to K-ON, maybe even above it when you take other visual elements besides animation into consideration.

And this is coming from a hardcore K-ON fanboy.

>>790
is either trolling or hasn't seen shit.

>>794
misstep (digital work for the parade in the finale)

I liked that, and it had a clear narrative purpose. I've heard of some people who got dizzy or something, but I thought it was a rather neat form of integrating Oreki's state of mind to the visual package, something that was a constant in the entire show, and it made special sense to callback to it (it was more prominent in the earlier episodes) when the episode itself is a callback to the themes raised in early episodes.

The worst part about the finale was dat CG umbrella. Gosh, what the fuck Kyoani?

Otherwise yeah, >>790 it seems you should watch these shows again.

>>790
Animation=movement, nothing else matters.
I said "amount of movement". That doesn't matter, otherwise let's close the thread and go suck 40s Disney dick.

What matters is that the movement is convincing and well-done. Which happens in Hyouka like in no other TV show. Sure, you always have sakuga cuts in any series every few episodes or so, and sometimes even full-blown sakuga shows like TTGL or Dennou Coil. However, Kyoani took special care with the character animation in Hyouka, delivering an extremely consistent and compact (in terms of how each character acts) product, and it's commendable because it's a lost art in realism.

The comparison to Takahata was honestly spot-on, he's the only one who goes to such lengths to make their characters convincing on his works as a whole (and you'll see shows like Anne on the sakuga wiki even if they don't have nearly as much movement as some others). Hell, Takemoto even liked to do the flourishes of imagination interspersed with the mundane, much like Takahata.

Also, I think we should stop using the Western definition of sakuga. When we use the term it should really be just another word for drawings or animation. My problem lies in the fact that each fan seems to have drawn a fine line as to what does or does not constitute "sakuga" when no such line exists.

There are just two ends of the scale and one piece of animation is farther along that scale than the other, either due to the animator's skill and external resources such as time and the budget alloted to him. Scenes being of higher quality than the rest isn't exclusive to anime either.

Watch The Sword in the Stone and the animation during the squirrel segment and Madam Mim's introduction moves much better than the rest, including the final duel if you ask me. Kahl did the introduction, so that explains things.

>>793
Supposedly Seiya Numata and Atsushi Wakabayashi

Ohira?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5dB_9dW2SQ#t=211s