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Name: Anonymous 2013-01-28 3:53

Now in /carcom/ due to spam

The Sakuga Wiki [JP] - http://www18.atwiki.jp/sakuga/
Good Animation Blog - http://www.pelleas.net/aniTOP/
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Animation on Twitter, Tumblr and Youtube:
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Name: Anonymous 2013-03-03 12:47

>>880
How do you tell the difference?

Name: Anonymous 2013-03-03 13:06

>>881
The end of the art book from http://g.e-hentai.org/ has the names of all the artists who drew each image.

Name: Anonymous 2013-03-03 13:34

Although I am wondering how you know
>https://twitter.com/Rafchu/status/307886197424918528/photo/1
is hideyuki morioka

How did you find that one out? I can't seem to find it.

Name: Anonymous 2013-03-03 13:37

Tanaka's cut in Sasami #8 was fantastic, it's been a while since he did a really good cut

Name: Anonymous 2013-03-03 13:45

>>883
The order of the uploaded pictures doesn't always match book order so it can be hard to find but it's there somewhere.

Name: Anonymous 2013-03-03 14:47

The Blood-C movie had some nice action cuts and character animation, but I found it to be inferior to The Last Vampire overall. Vehicle CGI was pretty good with the photorealistic lighting and modelling was generally good. However, that CGI monster at the finale came across as being out-of-place and pointless. It would've been cheaper to have it hand-drawn, no? I think the end result would've looked better as well.

http://i.imgur.com/eqAqDke.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/7xP4sIO.jpg

Name: Anonymous 2013-03-03 14:56

>>886
I guess being made on a short schedule, they didn't have the time or money to have someone draw something complex like that.

Name: Anonymous 2013-03-03 14:58

>>887
But the CGI monster was pretty detailed and appeared for such a short time.

Name: Anonymous 2013-03-03 14:59

>>880
thanks anon!

Name: Anonymous 2013-03-03 15:02

>>796
Kazunori Mizuno(Bleach#166)

Name: Anonymous 2013-03-03 15:08

>>884
Is there a .gif or video of it? Can't be fucked to DL the whole episode.

Name: Anonymous 2013-03-03 15:14

>>891
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ilseBj_1rM#t=2m40s

Name: Anonymous 2013-03-03 16:00

>>892

the beginning of Tanaka's cut in that MAD, I remember seeing some scenes in other anime with the same "effect".  why does it look like that?

Name: Anonymous 2013-03-03 16:30

https://minus.com/lbzjoUjnYXaNq0

Megumi Kouno illustration

Name: Anonymous 2013-03-03 17:38

>>893
You mean the ghosting effect?
It's to do with when the person who records the RAWs does not have equipment fast enough (or set up properly) to capture all the frames, so the frames end of blending into one another. You end up having to wait for the DVD/BD for a better encode.

Name: Anonymous 2013-03-03 17:43

>>895

Eh? What? That's just cost cutting. They didn't have inbetweens drawn for that part so they blur the frame into one another. Broadcast is done at constant framerate. Nothing to do with that. They're fixed in the disc release IF they bother to pay for inbetweens.

Name: Anonymous 2013-03-03 17:57

>>896
So much bullshit in one post. You're teling me that Naotoshi Shida's works are badly inbetweened?

Name: Anonymous 2013-03-03 18:03

>>897

Yes.
Because that doesn't depend on him, sadly. If the rest of the cuts have no ghosting then the recording was done just fine, which is what you'd expect since the broadcast framerate (entirely different from animation framerate) is constant. Plenty of shows have this "effect" that isn't an effect at all, because budget.

Name: Anonymous 2013-03-03 18:05

>>895
>>897

Please stop pulling shit out of your ass.

Name: Anonymous 2013-03-03 18:07

Dammit, who am I supposed to believe?

Name: Anonymous 2013-03-03 18:12

>>900

Go read a bit about broadcasts and recording stuff. That should clear things up.
The fact that some shows have this ghosting "effect" even in the disc release (see Penguidrum for example) should put you on the right track to figuring that out too.

Name: Anonymous 2013-03-03 18:14

You see I'm properly confused now. I thought it was an encoding issue. Star Driver's last episode suffered from this, esp in Muraki's circus scenes. I thought it was just due to encoding and that having a direct source with the DVD/BD meant we could get the scene w/o blur/ghosting.

Name: Anonymous 2013-03-03 18:19

Nothing to do with encoding. This will happen in fast scenes (like a circus) more often purely because they require more inbetweens. If they wouldn't blur the animation frames together it would look like very choppy shit. The broadcast is always done at 24p 23.something or whatever, depending on the channel/set/etc. no matter how slow or fast is the animation.  Issues can arise due to encoding, but they look different. And usually much worse.

Name: Anonymous 2013-03-03 18:21

And you'll see it less often (but still see it at times) in BD releases simply because by then they could have the extra inbetweens drawn.

Name: Anonymous 2013-03-03 19:34

I can't seem to agree with this lack of inbetweens idea.
I've got the Star Driver finale here, both TV airing by [gg] and the BD rip. I'm going through scenes in [gg] ver where there is ghosting and going through it frame by frame comparing it to the BD rip, I find that there are exactly the same frames in each(I can spot no lack of inbetweens), only that the remains of a previous frame will stay behind and imprint itself onto the next frame.

Eg take one of Arasan's cuts
First 3 are TV, next are the same 3 frames but from BD: http://imgur.com/a/daaa8

Okay, maybe bad example, lets look at something with more inbetweens like the 3rd and final Muraki circus:
http://imgur.com/a/2vx0b

8 frames this time, both exactly the same, only one has a bleed through effect where the previous frame(s) get imprinted and/or remain on the screen as a "ghost"

Name: Anonymous 2013-03-03 21:05

Ghost frames can happen from the framrate conversion process.
But in this case, I think they intentionally added the ghost frames.

>>895
It's to do with when the person who records the RAWs does not have equipment fast enough (or set up properly) to capture all the frames
Everyone is using digital recorders by now.
They pretty much have the exact copy of data as what the station broadcasted.

Name: Anonymous 2013-03-03 21:15

>>896
>>903
You damn fools, stop bullshiting

What >>905 said should clears that up

Name: Anonymous 2013-03-03 21:24

yeah I've never heard of ghosting being the result of missing inbetweens. Check out Kameda's cuts from Brotherhood, all of them suffer from ghosting in the TV broadcast but there are no missing frames of animation between that and BD version

Name: Anonymous 2013-03-03 21:41

The Coalgirls BD encode I have of Star Driver 25 lacked that effect. Muraki's circus in the AO finale had this too.

TV encode (probably gg)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sC59o9UeZdk&t=1m25s

BD encode

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWSSHa9adFU&t=0m10s

I'm pretty sure Muraki circuses and Naotoshi Shida's long cuts are mostly done on 1s anyway, they don't lack in-betweens. Tanaka's circus looked much jerkier.

I uploaded some more caps here. http://imgur.com/a/88wMM

Name: Anonymous 2013-03-03 21:59

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWSSHa9adFU&t=1m35s

From the AO finale.

Name: Anonymous 2013-03-03 23:36

I can't be the only one who remembers FMA Brotherhood staff (I belive it was director Irie) tweeting that Kameda's scenes got ruined in TV broadcast, right?

Name: Anonymous 2013-03-04 0:17

>>911

I remember some cuts, especially those from the OPs, suffering from the same problem.

Name: Anonymous 2013-03-04 0:25

>>911

>tweet

don't think I even knew what twitter was back in 2009 heh

Name: Anonymous 2013-03-04 2:40

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siI44zxkRUs

Little Witch Academia

Name: Anonymous 2013-03-04 2:54

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vYQCGCBDjHE

Aura

Name: Anonymous 2013-03-04 3:02

>>914
Based Yoshinari

Name: Anonymous 2013-03-04 7:51

>>914
I am really impressed with LWA. I thought the quality would be more TV-anime level but this is very good.

Name: Anonymous 2013-03-04 8:52

>>917
Why would you think that? It's a special funded anime that comes out once a year and it's directed by Yoshinari :S

Name: Anonymous 2013-03-04 9:10

>913

It was in early 2010, when episodes 53 and 54 aired.

Name: Anonymous 2013-03-04 9:24

Yoshinari the King
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