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Animation Appreciation Refuge Thread #1

Name: Anonymous 2013-01-28 3:53

Now in /carcom/ due to spam

The Sakuga Wiki [JP] - http://www18.atwiki.jp/sakuga/
Good Animation Blog - http://www.pelleas.net/aniTOP/
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Animation on Twitter, Tumblr and Youtube:
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Name: Anonymous 2013-02-16 17:23

>>479

Wow, the second one is actually pretty good. Much better than the usual KyoAni shit. They should make more of it.

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-16 17:23

>>479
Wait, from where are we getting this info?

I'd say the two overall best CMs of those are the Kitanohara/Maruki one and the Ishihara/Horiguchi one, in that order.
I'd like to see some display like these by Nao Naitou, she's really good.

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-16 17:24

>>478
WHATTTTT !!!!!
REALLY !!!!!!!!!!

Need gen , ikuhara and anno on the 4.0, OMG

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-16 17:26

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-16 17:58

>>478
Why not just include a link to wherever you read this?

>>483
please die retard

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-16 18:04

>>448
>>449
A higher budget for an episode does not necessarily have to correspondent to more drawings. Just as higher budget overall doesn't say much about the average amount of individual drawings for the show.

Gundam Seed's budget was high because it was a prime-time show, thus they had to pay more for the slot. Additionally there was of course a lot of money spent on marketing and stuff. That goes for most Sunrise shows though. If you look at those charts with the most expensive anime, you'll see that there are many Sunrise shows on them. Gundam is a given but there's also quite some stuff from late '90s and early '00s on them, back when Sunrise didn't yet convert to the late-night anime trend which was starting (with Seraphim Call being perhaps the only exception).

Episode directors, storyboarders and animation directors get a fixed payment, which very well varies on the standing of the persons hired. Cheap productions will often fill those positions with inexperienced people to decrease the pay and thus budget. Think Crescent Love where Tanaka Hironori and others were hired as ADs despite having barely any experience as animators at that time and none as AD, the result were some infamous episodes. On the other hand hiring a well-regarded director for a single episode will also go down into the budget.

There's more than that of course, like outsourcing to overseas companies (China, Korea, Vietnam) and paying less to those companies for the same amount of drawings and so on. Guest artists will increase the cost, so does hiring people for extra history/whatever research on an episode. In the end the overall budget doesn't say much about the show, aside of re-establishing the slot it was aired in. Just as episode budget differences don't necessarily mean a difference in quality or drawings count.

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-16 18:22

>>486
Paying for time slots only applies to late night anime.

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-16 19:20

>>479
I didn't expect Horiguchi of all people to be the character designer for the 5th CM. Also, not seeing Fumie Okano in the second one, did you get that wrong?

>>482
I just checked the official site and it seems they've updated the CM section, those definitely weren't there the last time I checked http://www.kyotoanimation.co.jp/company/cm/

>>481
Fuck off.

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-16 19:32

>>488
not seeing Fumie Okano in the second one, did you get that wrong?

I messed that up.
Thanks for pointing out.

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-17 1:14

>>486
With budget I was referring to the animation budget, not overall. I see your point, but nevertheless a higher amount of drawings will correspond with more money put into them, in the usual system.

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-18 7:29

Aside from Shingo Yamashita, are there any other animators that regularly use Flash?

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-18 7:44

Do you want 3d sakuga ?
check this shit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSmuV4vC1Wc

the action battles seems awesome

It's seems 3d in japan starts to become interesting
Code geass , now this ?

I hope 2d vehicles animation will not die in japan

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-18 16:50

>>491
Bahi JD

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-18 16:59

>>493
That's it?

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-18 17:27

>Do you want 3d sakuga ?
No, thank you.

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-19 3:55

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-19 6:47

>>496
Some of those cuts are amazing.

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-19 7:09

Pilot of sword of the stranger ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qj-zNwkHcGE&list=PLA52293F3A3426F12

Yutapon+Ando

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-19 11:46

Kyoni's animation quality is very poor relative to other studios (except SHAFT, SHAFT's is shit too).

in kyoni shows:
- clothing movement doesn't follow through on overlapping actions.
- virtually no secondary action or reduction in move ins or outs for background characters or objects
- character design noticeable changes during scenes, it's happened at least twice in tomako market. poor consistency.
- kyoni overly exaggerates motion and has harshly stylizes animation (as opposed to subtle changes in facial expressions or eye gaze) to express emotion. it's easy to draw jagged lines to show a character who is shocked, but that's very unprofessional.

it's pathetic to see a AAA studio dedicate so little money to animation.

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-19 12:15

>>499
It's over, Kyoani is finished.

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-19 12:28

I watch Da Capo III for the sakuga

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-19 12:35

I watched Redline for the plot.

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-19 13:22

KyoAni's CGI mecha and digital effects episode 3.
http://himado.in/130791

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-19 13:29

>>503
That's some nice modelling for the mecha. Movement still needs some work though.

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-19 13:53

>>499
Well, looks like we got an expert here. Thank you for enlightening us all.

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-19 14:08

Why do they use a video camera to take the picture of the drawings for the the pencil test?
Shouldn't a DSLR camera be cheaper and give a better image quality?
http://www.kyotoanimation.co.jp/school/course/blog/?p=525

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-19 14:15

KyoAni
>"the best studio"
>can't into hand-drawn mecha

Seriously though, I think they're overrated. Their character animation isn't as impressive as some of you say and their shows are overall pretty mediocre, with Hyouka being an exception. Just my opninion and I wonder why they're so popular...

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-19 14:17

>>506
Maybe they couldn't afford both a DSLR and a video camera so they had to settle with the video camera doing multiple tasks for them.

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-19 14:27

>>507
Kyoani is overrated in this board.
And another animator i will not name .

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-19 14:29

>>507
KyoAni has done hand drawn mecha before though? And I don't especially care if you think their shows are mediocre, this is not the place to discuss that.

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-19 14:31

>>507
>>509
You two are retarded but it's ok to derail the thread with this comment because it's just my opinion. Seriously, fuck off.

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-19 14:32

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-19 14:33

>>508
>Maybe they couldn't afford both a DSLR and a video camera

I don't think so.
They are cheap as hell in Japan.

And it's not just KyoAni, other studios also use video cameras for pencil test too.

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-19 14:37

Seven years worth of animation made a flapping noise as it flowed endlessly into Redline

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-19 14:45

>>511

Typical KyoAni fan. "Someone dislikes something I like! What a retard. I'll tell him to fuck off."

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-19 14:48

"KyoAni's animation has no soul"
- Bahi JD, key animator on Apollon.

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-19 14:49

>>513
Interesting, I can only assume that there's a need for the video function during the pencil tests then.

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-19 14:53

Why are those threads so prone to random trolling? You'd think that niche things discussed on textboards nobody use wouldn't be a good target.

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-19 14:55

>>518
For all we know, perhaps there are one or two of the regular users here that somehow felt like shitposting.

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-19 14:56

>>515

We're talking about animation here you moron. Whether you like the contents of the show or not is besides the point.

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