Americans cannot draw anime

I am convinced, no matter how much wannabe-anime style art I've seen, that one has to at least have some Asian in them to draw the anime/manga style.  Yes, it's also cultural, but culture and genes go hand in hand.  The "L/R" misconception is actually the ear and brain processing the letters a certain way, and Japanese people are also more responsive to higher pitched sounds rather than low bass, as seen in a lot of their music.  So call me a eugenics Nazi, I don't care.

Most US or Europe art tends to have square or straight eyes, to denote seriousness or "toughness."  The anime round eye style seems to be a perception of femininity, a welcoming of it even in males, that allows the character to look naturally gentle or naive.  The sense of 2D moving fluidly in 3D is also different in some way.  US animators tend to focus on the whole body at once, from disney to Hanna Barbera to South Park to any show made for Adult Swim.

The closest thing to anime art is Pinup girls of the mid twentieth century (when females could be oggled without complaint) and some US comics, especially Image, but even these aren't pure manga style (they are unique, but some try to resemble anime). 

There is some perception of what a character "should" look like to manga artists, which creates the style, and can be seen in Korean anime style art where the heads are wider or more squished.  Somehow, the us perception of what a charracter should look like in 2D either ends up very two dimensional, or like Furry art.  Something in US artists makes a lot of them predisposed to drawing Furry art, or cartoon animals, but not humans.  Humans have always been the most awkward, strangest things to draw, and either must look photorealistic as in fantasy art, or be abstract and cartoony.

>>79
Yes, destroy the Holocaust movement because you think his style sucks...
I really don't think he created Maus with art fags like you in mind.

Actually i take that back, Madureira can draw manga style. Any of you guys seen the street fighter series by Udon. Awesome, even though very western style. But I consider that all out manga, and madureiras guest piece of the fight between Ryu and Sagat was just classic. Google it...Madureira + street fighter. Out.

Oh another example of non japanese manga comics. Rotogin junkbotz and swordsmen by sunscript studios. Aiit. gone.

>>81
don't matter, shit still sux, fag.
and it should be but that's another rant entirely.

>>58
Hey dumb ass look at every female Super-Hero it's just like that in the US

>>50
This is, by far, the best answer in this entire thread.

http://gazo03.chbox.jp/home/gazo03/data/gazo/wara/src/1141725257305.jpg

>>85

But are you saying some one who has been reading manga and watching anime all his life does npt understand the mechanics of manga. Manga does not have to be about Japanese people or the east at all. I know most of the time the aforementioned statement is tru, but hey, not all da time.

Let me ask you this:  If there were no black people to ever set foot in America, would there ever be rap in the US?

Probably not, because rap ws something that spawned from the living conditions that the black people underwent while livin back in the day. Check the history. But who knows, it could have. It may just have looked different from what it does now, for the factors to influence the content and style would be totaly diff. And a good topic u brought up. It originated in the states right, but does rap have to be by Africa americans to be considered, tru or real rap. NOOOO. All over the world Rap styles have evolved, some similar to that found in the states some with their on distinct flow. Britain has its hip hop and now its own version of the generer 'Grime', France has always had its hip hop, Africa from all different countrys has its own adaptions to hip hop, EVEN JAPAN is getting into it now. They all have hip hop artists and hip hop music. But do people go around saying coz its not from The states its not hip hop, its an immitation noooo. If they are trying to mock it with American accents and rapping about thins only in America without them a) either having lived there or b) understanding the culture, then you will hear the criticism. But if they keep it tru to their surrounding then it come out original, fresh and tackling new content. And its the same for any kind of music....Rock, jazz, whatever. And Incidedntly, I see it the same way with Manga or ainme. If you are there trying to imitate then sure u can call it fake if u want. But If u have a good understatnding of the style, why not tackle content akin to your surrounding. Anc maybe even create a hybrid style, the examples I have dropped above did. (Madureira, and one of my new favourites LeSean Thomas).

Nuff sed.

Peace.

Oh and one more thing, I know this is not the manga boards or whatever, but just to show a diff scenario. Look at works By Santa Inoue such as Tokyo Tribes. He is Not black, or american, but full japanese and he is creats comics very much infused with the hip hop culture. Yes there are a few quirks here and there, but he knows his stuff, yet in japan there are no real, hoods, or gangs as he depicts in his comics, for him to relate to. He just Understands the hip hop culture and has followed it from way back in the day. He understands whats really going on. So all of you above who have been saying stuff like, ohh, you cant do something if you are not from there, should recognize. And im Not some America fanboy trying to defend American comics, nah. Heck I ain't even American, nor do I live in the States. But I am speaking as an individual, defending artists who are capable, and get bashed for doing awesome work by the people who dont appreciate. No wars intended, you know, jus making a point.

Kool,

I'm out.

Peace.

With all the How to Draw Manga books sold in stores I wish I saw more results

Its not just the "style" but the attention to detail.  You rarely see femenine characters, with a wide range of emotions such as frailty or concern.  Rather, everyone has to act tough and kick ass or be a Red Sonya sexpot.

Take any CG page and imagine if Western artists could get it right.

http://www7.plala.or.jp/zantetuken/gallery.htm

>>92
What the fuck? The only thing indicating any emotion on those pics are the mouths and in few cases the eyes. Yes that's an enormous attention to detail. And not every western artist does what you say, actually,  most of them doesn't. Read some comics beyond Archie and 90's Image stuff you found behind your bed before talking out your ass.

>>93
Agreed. He could have at least picked a renowned source with more references.
Or at least a good fan page, like http://www.geocities.jp/nekkeau/, as brain mangling as seeing female versions of popular male game characters may be.

dunno 'bout u guys..but i do not think "trying" to copy whether
a US or JAP style is bad thing for a starter . i personly
think "if the stuff is good , then IT'S GOOD" , and forget 'bout whom and whose the dude did it, his birth place..etc.
2ndly ,i should find his style , not importantly diffrent from others. and btw, i don't like ppl when they "try" to make a "manga" only will fail! but
 manga + personal touch + art = pure win.
for fails : "mystery martin " and "totally spies" is made of poop. for god sake , they trying no forcing to  put all jap anime elements (facial expressions, drawing style..etc)in it.
as for wins : this guy draws like god 
http://crybringer.deviantart.com/gallery/

i hope i didn't sage that much
ps
btw i rather watch "looney toons" than anime.
ps2
check my drawings /ic/ by crooger

（＊＞＜）Please make the CD1000 piece.
(´･ω･`) It becomes 500,000 yen.
（＊＞＜）Because Yurishi have only 200,000 yen, it is good by 500 pieces.
(´･ω･`) Even if it reduces the number, the press doesn't become cheap. Calculation . in it.
（＊＞＜）It is because of being the whole hypothec.
(´･ω･`) It is possible to make it in case of 100 CD-R.
（＊＞＜）Yurishi's negotiation is good.
(´･ω･`) It can reel and is good in 200,000 yen in reality for 180,000 yen.
（＊＞＜）The whole hypothec became 20,000 yen and it exists.
(´；ω；`) It is poor.

I actually know a couple of americans that folks here think are japanese. For the most part, Manga and anime is a cultural thing. There are specific cultural reasons why things look the way they do.

Personally, I'm not a fan of much of the new Manga/Anime stuff that's out there (Chobits...Bleh), too much cute, too little substance. Tho, there are older series which I love and some newer ones have the needed substance.

>>85 Seconded. It is important to know why a artist does something instead of just copying it. Tho, I think that it is more of a culture thing. Handwriting could be a factor to this.

>>96

Source?  I want a CD press

It's better to draw your own style than buying "how to draw ..." books.

>>100

Seconded

>>100
Except for books on real drawing, neither manga nor comic books:
photo source books
classics study books (book of a hundred hands)
Andrew Loomis!

Only after learning to draw and forming an individual approach, read Comics & Sequential Art by Will Eisner.  Then (if you haven't already) read Understanding Comics, by Scott McCloud.  Then READ Titan Books' Artists on Comic Book Art, the Dark Horse books on technique (for chrissakes don't even glance at the Antarctic Press comic-size guides), up to date stuff like DRAW! and Sketch mags including best-of compilations, and Comic Book Lettering the Comicraft Way.  Then, when you are finally ready to make your comic, find a little book called True Facts: Comics' Righteous Anger, a collection of editorials by Larry Young.

Or... just toss drawing out the window and hope you're the next Gary Larson/Matt Groening.

its not genes you asshole
give it 10 years when anime is everywhere, i bet there'll be plenty that can

I hate it when i find "how to drow manga/anime" books that are by american authors.  some bullshit name like "Ted Williams" or something.  I don't know why.  It just pisses me off.

>>104

Mentally translate it to "Akira Harada" or something else fairly generic.  There's no more problem with a Western artist teaching how to draw with manga conventions than there is some run of the mill Japanese artist teaching oil painting, except for technical knowledge without inspired artistry (which is the usual problem with classroom teachers and book authors).

>>105
I didnt say that was bad at all.  My point was people just use the "Anime" gimmick to line their pockets.

>>92
thos girls, they all have the SAME moé expressions...

>>102

This is the correct answer.

>>104

Same, I hate it when some snob thinks they can do better when a kid can draw better. Lol I hope that would be shot at least.

>>104

my advice to the typical american pseudo-manga artist is to go the whole way and make up a japanese pen-name. that way, you gain instant credibility from suckers who judge artwork by its ethnicity.

i'd call myself takenobu mitsuyoshi. owait--

w8 then can english draw anime cos im drawing it =P

I draw anime every night, hentai to be exact.  I scribble up a picture, then masturbate profusely with my powerful right hand until, after several long, satisfying orgasms, the page is thoroughly drenched.  I then rub it all over my body, and go into my little sister's room and rub it on her lips.

Is that bad?

>>112
The only thing bad about it is that you're not taking pictures of it and sharing them with us

>>112
Damn it junior where the hell is those pictures!! Pronto im waiting with my right hand eagerly to forcefully masturbate.

i shit my pants

>>104
What pissed me off more than that is that the artwork is shitty.
These people have no right teaching people how to draw anything.

Agreed 100%

>>1 who gives a shit

>>118
117 people less you
NOW GTFO AND STFU

>>104
It's not just the American-made "manga" books (which are by far, the worst) but also the Japanese Kodansha ones (How to Draw Manga) that aren't done very well either. Most of the people who write these books aren't exactly the greatest manga artists (in fact, a lot of them haven't even written manga, and have mainly worked as either animators or assistants to other manga-ka).