I am convinced, no matter how much wannabe-anime style art I've seen, that one has to at least have some Asian in them to draw the anime/manga style. Yes, it's also cultural, but culture and genes go hand in hand. The "L/R" misconception is actually the ear and brain processing the letters a certain way, and Japanese people are also more responsive to higher pitched sounds rather than low bass, as seen in a lot of their music. So call me a eugenics Nazi, I don't care.
Most US or Europe art tends to have square or straight eyes, to denote seriousness or "toughness." The anime round eye style seems to be a perception of femininity, a welcoming of it even in males, that allows the character to look naturally gentle or naive. The sense of 2D moving fluidly in 3D is also different in some way. US animators tend to focus on the whole body at once, from disney to Hanna Barbera to South Park to any show made for Adult Swim.
The closest thing to anime art is Pinup girls of the mid twentieth century (when females could be oggled without complaint) and some US comics, especially Image, but even these aren't pure manga style (they are unique, but some try to resemble anime).
There is some perception of what a character "should" look like to manga artists, which creates the style, and can be seen in Korean anime style art where the heads are wider or more squished. Somehow, the us perception of what a charracter should look like in 2D either ends up very two dimensional, or like Furry art. Something in US artists makes a lot of them predisposed to drawing Furry art, or cartoon animals, but not humans. Humans have always been the most awkward, strangest things to draw, and either must look photorealistic as in fantasy art, or be abstract and cartoony.
As some1 stated above if you read amanga and didn;t know wherer the artist name. And it was good, does it matter. NOOOOOO. Fuck, manga can come from anywhere in the world. Yes its homeland is Japan. But that dont make a difference. So. Think about that.
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Anonymous2006-02-11 15:18
Manga made out of Japan always suck.
That doesn't mean manga made in Japan is good. Most Japanese manga sucks too.
Everything sucks.
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Anonymous2006-02-12 11:26
Americans can't do anything right.
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Anonymous2006-02-12 16:29
Lol
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Anonymous2006-02-13 15:04
Has anyone ever noticed that when they first start drawing anime style it looks like how the first mangas looked, and as you get better, your art starts looking like manga from time periods further ahead? I did. I looked at my old work, and it looked simaler to some manga I'd seen just recently that was from the 60's.
drawing japanese fashioned pictures is like writing kanji without knowing the meaning of words...
that's why westerners most of the times don't get it right
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t got shit on me!2006-02-23 17:22
Hey....I live in New York....not far from a sushi bar.....*gets hungry* time to get some grub! >:}
Japanese cannot draw anime either, as they outsource all the animation work.
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Anonymous2006-02-28 15:26
Race has nothing to do with whether or not you can draw anime. Yes Anime originated in the east. No one is disputing that fact, there fore the majority of all anime and manga come from there. But people of non asian descent can do anime, as long as they are well familira with anime. I bet you, if dead leaves was done by some westerner or samn, most of you would be saying, that it is not anime and might even say it sucks animation wise. Just my thoughts.
Out.
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Anonymous2006-02-28 21:54
>>1
kikaider is done by the maker of astro boy, who invented his art style as a ripoff of american cartoons. this si similar for a substantial ammount fo animu and amnga artists.
just because a chink draws it, does not make it superior.
thats the storyline's job.
stop being a fag.
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Anonymous2006-02-28 22:14
>>56
Kikaider is made by a different guy, genius. And he didn't say the art was superior he said America can't duplicate the manga/anime artstyle (which isn't true). Learn to read and...
stop being a moron.
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Anonymous2006-03-01 3:18
The reason why Japanese comics are better is because of the existance of MOE in them.
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Anonymous2006-03-01 12:02
Asian Americans tend to have some kinda genetic ability to do it
Joe Madureira and the guys at Blizzard making World of Warcraft can draw anime style. Plenty of people can it's not genetic. The only reason you're seeing terrible copies of manga/anime style artwork alot from Americans is because the people that are doing it can't draw in the first place or is (very unlikely) consciously trying not to ape someone else's style. Ben Dunn, Megatokyo, and most of Tokyopop's OEL comics can't draw for shit period and are just fan made crap passing off as professional work. If you look at doujins from Japan not all of them, but a huge number of them can't draw either.
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Anonymous2006-03-01 18:52
Madureira is imitative of anime style, seen in a lot of Image/Top Cow and independent comics. It's still not "anime style," but it comes close.
Yeah! Madureira I can say is manga influenced. If he sat down and said Ok I am gonna make a manga that is truer to the traditional style, I am sure he could do it and do it very well.
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Anonymous2006-03-02 12:21
Samwise's concept art looked Capcom influenced to me. I could imagine his Blademaster fitting in with Warzard and Shadow over Mystara
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Anonymous2006-03-03 20:32
Have you ever notice that most cartoons, Japanese or American, would have korean names for animation in the credits?
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Anonymous2006-03-04 3:38
>>67
Yes, but it doesn't mean anything to the general public with no eye for animation. Simpsons and Pokemon both have Korean involvement and they're nothing alike. Korean studios mostly do grunt work and have no effect on the key parts of development like storyboards, dialogue, character design, voice acting, or directing. They're a necessary step to a finish product and their contribution is important, but it shouldn't take over the spotlight on the main creators.
Notice the use of perspective in the above post. You can see their faces are turned at a slight angle, even the middle figure has a face that expresses roundness in three dimensional space, all form a series of two dimensional characters.
American emotes, on the other hand, tend to be flat with no perspective in comparison. This is due to the inability for Americans to comprehend three dimensional space in the same way anime does, ie South Park and Aqua Teen Hunger Force.
I heard a Japanese College Teacher say that anime was flat and two dimesional compared to other forms of art around the world
the Japanese ukiyo-e is all about flat narrative and representation
this teacher also said that "it can be said that two dimensional representation is inherent to Japanese people" and added that it was "practically genetic"
three dimensional art (perspective, chiaro-oscuro) only appeared in Japan AFTER western art was introduced to them
BTW South Park is a bad example because one of the creators did live in Japan and wanted to make a parody of anime (hence the jokes on Japanese people like Chinpokomon or the Mega Streissand episode)
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Beacause this particular troll has benn linking to it in a few other threads.
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Anonymous2006-03-05 20:45
Yow!! u better stop fucking around. I pray i meet you one day so I can break your face, hiding behind a computer screen doin shit like that. fuckin bastard. Its people like you who should be shot on sight. infact If I c your mother, Ima slap her for putting you on this earth, ok. Sod off. prick.
Bah. Fuck genetics and culture. It's clearly handwriting. When an artist draws it's virtually the same to them as writing. Western art is generally curvier and flows well. Such is our handwriting, where you can write entire sentances without taking your pen off the page. It just comes much easier to us to do something in one swift movement.
Asian countries are stuck with kanji, small little pictures involving complex stocky lines and a lot of short muscle contractions. If you look at their art, it's full of short lines everywhere and couldn't draw a flowing line any longer than an average person lenght, worth shit.
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Exactly why I love the likes of Maruo, artists like he shuns most of the cliche techniques of anime style. Its good to fap too but rarely makes for good serious storytelling. I mean, do you have any idea how fucking hard I laughed at Maus? I thought Art was some wacko dadaist trying to destroy the holocaust movement when I saw that.