Atlas Shrugged

So after all the fanfares here, I decided to check out this book. Right now I'm on chapter 3 of part 1, it got some pretty good dramas so far, although a bit different from anything I have read up to date.

So I'm curious, what's all the hate about?

Ohhh, someone is pissed that his attempt at subtle attention whoring back fired haha.

>>41
what in the world are you talking about

Tax people making over $100,000 a year very heavily. That's more than plenty to live comfortably on. Anyone who makes more than that is hogging resources that could benefit many more people. If you don't like being taxed so much, don't work as much. That's fair for everyone. Of course the rich people are rich for a reason, and they can fool some people into voting Republican by making unimportant side issues into dealbreaker vote swings. Vote Me for president

This message is approved by Me for president

>>43

You are a fucking moron.

gahaha if u tax rich ppl they will move to other country where tax is lower and all rich will be gone and economy will be destroy

xD

>>43

10/10

would troll again

if there aren't people that actually think like this

I enjoyed it, I actually have two copies one that is bent the fuck up from reading all the way through and one I got for free for writing in the fountainhead essay contest. I exchange gifts through the mail on christmas with a friend that moved away. I plan to send the new one to said friend with "Earn your own damn present you moocher" written inside (moochers and looters are two terms you'll see a lot). A joke gift of sorts. Its a good book with an interesting story with lots of pointless sex but its just about Utopian capitalism which is just as bad as Utopian Socialism.

>>47

5/10 for subtlety

>>48
Would you please shut the fuck up?

>>49

No.

>>49

Guess trolls on /books/ get butthurt a lot easier than compared to any other board.


On the topic here, Capitalism doesn't automatically translate to a wealthy society. What a free market does is that it allows those individuals who do want to pursue wealth the legitimate way to do so unobstructed. If they succeed they will enjoy the full benefit of their success. And if they fail, they, and anyone else who choose to join their enterprise, will be the only ones who take the fall.

No regulations, no bailouts, 100% personal responsibility.

Capitalism doesn't automatically create an utopia, no political system will ever do. But it is the only econ-political system that will allow the creation of an utopia.

All other political system will act to pull the society downwards. Capitalism doesn't pull it anywhere.

>>51
>will allow the creation of an utopia.
hyooman nature disagrees !!

Human nature precludes the possibility of a Utopian society. Political philosophy destroyed

>>53

That would be true only IF humans are self-destructive by nature.

The truth is humans are not self-destructive by nature. Free will and selfishness is the central factor here. Everything a person does is a choice, and every choice he makes will affect himself. People can choose to make the right choice, or the wrong choice. Those that choose the former rises (productive), and those that choose the latter(self-destructive), falls.

That is the reality of man and his relation to the world.

Capitalism is the only econ-political system which recognize that relationship and sets justice as its standard. If you succeed, the fruit of your success belongs to you in full and no one can force you to give it up through law. If you fail, you carry the your burden of failure in full and the law prevents you from forcing others to share it.

So, if your definition of an utopia is a society where every man is GUARANTEED to succeed and/or be wealthy, then yes, human nature precludes that possibility.

My definition of an utopia, the utopia only a free capitalistic society allows, is one where those that choose to make the right choice and succeeds won't be dragged down with force by those that choose to make the wrong choice and fails.

That utopia is very much possible, and the only utopia possible to humans.

>>54
I don't believe you.

>>54
So basically, we just leave poors to starve, and the world is perfect. OK.

>>56

To repeat what has been posted somewhere in the beginning of this thread:

In a free society, if YOU want to help someone by giving them aid, no one has the right to stop you.

Vice versa, in a free society, no one has to right to FORCE others to help them. Anyone needs help have to right to ask for voluntary aid.

>>56

And the disgusting thing isn't what I said as what you want to make it out to be, but what your post is implying. You are basically saying just because someone have less wealth compared to the static majorities in a society, he or she has lost their ability to survive as human but becomes some lesser life form that must have the right to force others to give them life support as the only means to live.

That is what I find truly degrading.

>>56

You underestimate the human spirit. Also, as 57 said, altruism would not be dead. A great number of people work for or found charities receiving no compensation for their time. Forced altruism, however, should be done away with. I don't need to be told what to do.

>>59

57 here.

Just to clear something up here.

It's true altruism would not automatically die in a free society, but altruism isn't exactly a good thing. Giving aid/charity doesn't automatically mean someone is altruistic.

You would give aid when you can to a promising student struggling financially through college or a family whose town was hit with natural disaster. But you wouldn't give aid to a hobo lying by a street who will use the cash to buy more alcohols.

The reason is because as a human being, your chief concern is self-interest, and it gives you pleasure to help those that you believe deserves your aid, while you will loathe yourself if you give a penny to said hobo. To be altruistic, it would mean you will pass no judgement on who you help, as long as it's someone other than yourself. The student, family, and, the hobo, would all be the same.

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