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Ayn Rand

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-24 18:46

What's with everybody hating objectivism and treating Ayn Rand's novels as garbage? Seriously, they're great pieces of literature whether you agree with the philosophy or not.

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-25 6:30

Just like no sane scientist would ever bother disputing or challenging creationism, no quality artist would base their book they publish (that is, book intended for public reading) discuss notions of talented people's superiority to the masses. Her characters only dealt with the beautiful, they say; but she seems to have been their intermediary only, so why would one even bother reading her fiction? I better go read authors that deal with the beutiful first-hand.

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-25 17:49

A good writer doesn't put a 20 page sermon in her book.

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-25 19:14

>>2
The story was interesting, at least. Also, don't people say Roark is an inhuman character? So that would mean anyone who genuinely relates to him is either extremely talented or extremely superficial.

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-25 19:50

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Rand's characters weren't centered around their talent, rather, it was about effort and mindset. Most of those represented in Atlus Shrugged, for example, were rich; yet money was only a sort of prize, what really made them superior to the rest of the world wasn't that they had more money or talent, but that they wished to work and put effort into that work they enjoyed.

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-25 20:10

>>5
>but that they wished to work and put effort into that work they enjoyed

Which is either a product or motivation in relation to talent, and therefore identical.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-01 22:46

Dosn't matter if people think they suck. They are a must read and will be for a long time.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-02 5:59

>>7
Sheep, get back to the herd.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-02 16:55

Her characters have no character. They're just her.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-04 2:08

All her novels are morality plays, why would you write a morality play charcther with personality?

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-04 3:43

>>9
I read on Wikipedia how she raped herself in one cool scene.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-13 2:57

The problem with Ayn Rand's work is that she's basically telling everyone "What I believe is right!"
She never deviates; never tries unique belief systems; never tries different perspectives.
It's basically reading the bible, except, instead of love, peace, plagues if you piss off God, etc., greed, selfishness, and trying to advance yourself above all else.

I had a friend who read all of the Ayn Rand books, and he became a total dick for YEARS, only calming down (and accepting that people may have different beliefs than him and still be decent people) after he realized that everyone hated him.

All that aside, the Rand books are a resounding "Meh" in terms of writing ability. Character and plot development is too fast and too slow, respectively.

Character development: "This is Roark, he's a good guy... Now, over here, this is everyone else. They're bad 'cause they help each other instead of furthering themselves financially."

Plot development: 80-page monologue. 'Nuff said.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-13 5:42

>>12
80-page monologue
Oh WTF

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-13 6:18

Ayn Rand was russian.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-13 6:19

>>14
No, she was jewish.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-13 6:23

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She was a russian-borned jewish.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-13 6:31

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Wait, really?

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-14 17:45

>>17
Yes. She was born in St. Petersburg in Russia. Her real name is Alice Rosenbaum. She is obviously jewish.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-14 17:46

>>18
It is funny, but in Russia nobody knows about her.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-14 20:22

>>19
I'm Russian and I know about her, silly. Never knew she was a Russian-born jew, though.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-14 20:38

>>12
>>They're bad 'cause they help each other instead of furthering themselves financially.

Well, you have a serious inability to follow plots.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-15 4:17

>>20
Ok. Most Russians never heard about her: because she didn't published, because there is no good translation of Rand's novels.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-17 0:49

>>22
>because there is no good Rand novel

Fixed.

>>21
>Well, you have a serious inability to follow plots.

It wasn't the plot, it was the philosophy.
Oh, and also the plot.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-24 17:37

She doesn't write novels she writes propaganda pieces.

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