ATLAS SHRUGGED By Ayn Rand

>>[driving ithrough the countryside]
>>"It's a good road," said Rearden, "It was built to last. The
>>man who built it [was really good i swear]."
>>"Yes..."
>>"I don't like the looks of this."
>>"I don't either." Then she smiled. "But think of how often
>>we've heard people complain that billboards ruin the
>>appearance of the countryside. Well, there's the unruined
>>countryside for them to admire." She added, "They're the >>people I hate."

I've just finished Atlas Shrugged, and I am left somewhat conflicted. Part of me understands how this could have been voted the best book of the 20th century. Part of me understands how she, a person whom had experienced the Bolshevik's rise to power and was greatly affected by the negatives of communism, could have honestly and fully believed what she was writing. But for the most part, I can't help but to regard this book as a thick pile of shit. Opinions?

state of nature
Oh, lord.

>>40
>altruism in general is just contrary to man's nature
You don't give us a lot of credit. Change takes time, of course, but to come out and say that people cannot change their base behavior is nihilistic. You certainly aren't making it any easier.

autism in general is just contrary to man's nature

>>42

But man is individualistic and a man's views differs from person to person. You will never get every person to change. It's unrealistic. We think for ourselves and we ultimately work for ourselves.

A boring 1000 page tome whose philosophical content can be summed up in a couple of pages. This is usually the most "intellectual" book an American college kid will read, which is kind of sad.

>>21
Rand did for bullshit what stonehenge did for rocks

Oh lord, I'm going to have to use that one in the future.

>>44

People are individualistic to an extent, insofar as they are interested in self preservation by nature. However, the most successful way for a human to survive is to be part of a functioning community. It is necessary for humans to cooperate with each other in order to survive and thrive. Individualism doesn't count for shit if it means that you're out in the woods alone gnawing on twigs for nourishment. Humans evolved as social creatures and as such, pure individualism is a bad survival strategy.

Lone wolves don't last long in the wild.

It is assumed that readers of Ayn Rand are younger because they think they can conquer the world singlehandedly, whereas grown-ups realise that even Atlas can shrug all he wants without moving the Earth. We have to form communities. That's objectively true.

>>49
noko
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>>50
Hey it's hard to keep up with threads on a fast moving board like this

>>51
fast moving board
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>>54
Not sure what this garbled mess is suppose to be, but okay.

>>55
ASCII trollface

>>56
trollface
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The rules of the /lit/ imageboard must not apply here.

>>57
Coolface, as you might know him newfag

>>59
newfag
Back to /b/, please just for using that term.

>>60
naw

I can understand Rand's point on most things, but I think altruism can in fact help people.  To put it bluntly, we're social animals, and if our society doesn't survive, neither do we.  A man on his own on a desrted island isn't long for this world.

That doesn't mean the government should do it.  And most certainly the government shouldn't tear down the productive to prop up the unproductive.  I just see no reason why a family or church couldn't decide as free people that they [i]want[i] to help others.

>>62
this

Sandy-Vagina McRussky might have been on to something if she hadn't been such a heartless bitch.

>>64
i lol'd

>>1
Book was written by a witch.


Burn both.

Have any of you fucktwits actually read the book?

It's about what could happen if all the over achievers in the world just retreated from the rest of us and vowed to live only for themselves and their own fulfillment. Society crumbles without them.

It takes a lot more genius to invent the bow and arrow in the first place than it does to copy or even innovate on the original design.

Without mutant over achievers we'd all still be in the dirt squeezing bone marrow into our gobs.

OP, read the book again.

>>62
What I don't understand is how Ayn Rand finds the will to live. If you don't believe that human beings are meant to cooperate and share their problems and gains, if you don't believe that you were born to help others and make the world a better place for everyone, then why? What is the point of society, civilization, progress, evolution, invention, art? If we're not supposed to share our successes then we're no different from animals. I'm not saying it's reproachable to be animals, but if we are why have we been pretending to be more than that for more than 100.000 years. More importantly, if we are animals, don't you realize people like Ayn Rand should be the first to perish? People who spend their time idly observing the world, generating philosophies, opinions or art, what good is that to a chaotic dog eat dog world? If it's everyone for themselves, why are you wasting your fucking time writing a fucking book? Who are you helping? Why?

>>71
liberal detected
take your communism somewhere else

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>>71

i don't care for Rand myself, but you should at least have the decency to read the wikipedia entry on objectivism because right now you are attacking some projected straw-man based on what you think Rand means rather than anything resembling what her pitiful attempt at philosophy is, whilst trying to position it as some deep insight.

for your sake i hope you're 16.

I fully acknowledge that whatever part of Objectivism that I DID like while I was reading Atlas Shrugged was simply pilfered from Nietzsche and a couple of other philosophers. On the other hand, I found the scope and suspense of her plot to be rather commendable, and I fucking loved the prose. So much of the imagery and detail that she describes in AS resonates with my own way of imagining and viewing things.

Q: Is there anything worse than an old Jewish bitch named Ayn Rand?

A: Nope.

Ayn Rand takes a lot of things for granted that 16 to 20 year-olds often haven't thought to question.

Philosophically:

1) The possibility of progress.

2) The existence of the self.

3) That words correlate cleanly to what they are meant to signify.

Socially:

1) That personal success and societal well-being are positively correlated.

2) That positively-defined liberty is a useful concept.

3) That earning power and social dominance are separate ideas.


She fails to question these and other very fundamental concepts, many of which form the basis of very large and many-faceted schools of thought.  Instead, she paints the world in very basic colors, addressing the conflict between the individual and society in only the most superficial of ways.

It doesn't help that she writes in a schmaltzy Romanticist style.

You have yet to consider the tyranny of freedom or how language informs the way we think.

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