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Animation Appreciation Thread #15

Name: Anonymous 2013-05-15 11:27

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Name: Anonymous 2013-05-17 5:30

>>110

That's so shit.

>>103

Is that Hideaki Anno talking or the role he had in that film though? Because that's contradictory to how Anno is described in other sources, which is a control freak, even to the point of personally correcting the drawings he doesn't like just like Miyazaki.

Name: Anonymous 2013-05-17 5:30

Satoshi Kon's Paprika storyboard is ridiculously detailed.
http://www.windyhilldesign.com/blogimg/vdn/npaprika_cap070.jpg

Name: Anonymous 2013-05-17 5:32

>>122
Kon should be credited as the layout artist responsible for all shots.
Seriously does this storyboard need any layouts at all?

Name: Anonymous 2013-05-17 5:32

>>120

Oh the double standards!

Name: Anonymous 2013-05-17 5:37


Paranoia Agent's animated storyboard
http://youtu.be/25BwhTSKjO8

Name: Anonymous 2013-05-17 5:38

Koji Morimoto's storyboards are also very detailed
http://i.imgur.com/ZVGjnwZ.jpg

but Bahi JD mentioned that he had lots of creative freedom working with him.
https://twitter.com/bahijd/status/334814927011332096

I think it mainly depends on the director and not on the storyboard.
Detailed storyboards are helpful but they don't block the animators creativity or improvement.

Name: Anonymous 2013-05-17 5:39

>>125
thanks for sharing.

Name: Anonymous 2013-05-17 5:43

>>125
these look like final layouts.

Name: Anonymous 2013-05-17 5:49

Gainax is selling Gunbuster's storyboard
http://www.gainax.co.jp/company/news/0432.html

Name: Anonymous 2013-05-17 7:33

>>121
That's Anno playing Anno.
He has mentioned it many time that animators suck these days.
That they are all social retards with anxiety issues that they need to go out and understand more than just drawing.

Name: Anonymous 2013-05-17 7:34

https://twitter.com/G1_BARI/status/254586237032210433

Obari considers the storyboard the blueprint of what will appear on the screen. So he draws it detailed enough that in the worst case scenario the storyboard panel can be used as a rough layout for the animator. He also likes to add instructions on how the shadows and shading should be drawn for that particular scene. He also mentions that when working with more talented animators, he can can get away with a simpler board (as they are talented enough to do their own layouts and so forth)

http://vanishingtrooper.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/kanada-genga-vs-obari-stroyboard.jpg

Name: Anonymous 2013-05-17 8:37

KyoAni confirmed for shit.

Name: Anonymous 2013-05-17 8:42

kyani is bad , i told you

Name: Anonymous 2013-05-17 9:00

You'd think that anyone who wants to troll about KyoAni would do it somewhere more appropiate than in an animation thread.

Name: Anonymous 2013-05-17 9:23

>>134

How can you defend KyoAni when they say shit like this:
http://i.imgur.com/Pznhl0Z.jpg

Anyone that wants animation to be more like a TV Drama deserves to be mocked.

Name: Anonymous 2013-05-17 9:34

You can mock them all you want, their animation is still some of the best you see on TV these days.

Name: Anonymous 2013-05-17 9:37

>>135
Anyone that wants animation to be more like a TV Drama deserves to be mocked

He was making a comparison between animation and live-action.
He didn't say that he wanted animation to be like TV Drama.

Name: Anonymous 2013-05-17 9:38

>>136

They died with Chuu2 and Tamako, Anon. After Free is completely underwhelming and their Fall show is revealed to be Chuu22, we can bury them for good.

Name: Anonymous 2013-05-17 9:41

>>135
Except he's not saying that. If you're too retarded to comprehend simple sentences then it's your problem.

Name: Anonymous 2013-05-17 9:59

>>139

Anyone implying that doing animation as if the animator was actor and cameraman is a bad thing isn't a real sakugabro.

Name: Anonymous 2013-05-17 10:02

>>138

With the direction they're headed, the management has probably realized that there is little reason to spend so much effort on a TV series.

I'll just sit here, rewatching Nichijou and Hyouka.

;_;

Name: Anonymous 2013-05-17 10:12

>>141
So they've decided to move away from adaptations and only handle self-produced projects because they thought there's little reason to spend much effort on TV anime?

Does that make sense in your brain?

Name: Anonymous 2013-05-17 10:18

>>138
How did they die? I hope you're not talking about the content of their series, because that has nothing to do with what we're discussing here.

Chuu2 looked pretty good, Tamako looked weak compared to their other recent series but still above average for TV anime.

Name: Anonymous 2013-05-17 10:18

Western animated film
Cameraman - layout artist
Actor - lead animator / key animator
Draftsman - breakdown animator / inbetweener / clean-up artist

Anime
Cameraman + actor + artist = key animator


Western 2D animation died.
Anime survives.

Name: Anonymous 2013-05-17 10:21

>>144

Pretty sure deviating from the storyboard is something that rarely happens, unless you have a very loose one that mainly details the actions.

Name: Anonymous 2013-05-17 10:29

>>143

No, Chuu2 was ugly as hell. And it had the worst color design ever.

Name: Anonymous 2013-05-17 10:31

>>146
That's a load of shit, it looked fine.

Name: Anonymous 2013-05-17 10:36

>>146

I wouldn't say ugly, but it has that digital look reminiscent of Fate/Zero and KnK that I'm not really fond of.

Name: Anonymous 2013-05-17 10:40

>>146
Chuu2Koi was pretty good looking and it had a bunch of amazing cuts. The effects during the delusions were a bit overdone, but it was part of the silliness of those scenes.

Name: Anonymous 2013-05-17 10:46

Speaking of digital animation, why haven't other people emulated Kou Yoshinari's post-processing style? It's nice to see people trying different visuals using digital animation, the technology should be taken advantage of.

Name: Anonymous 2013-05-17 10:58

>>150

Too tedious maybe? Some people probably just want to draw/animate and not bother with that or they aren't skilled enough.

There were a few frames in MJP's first episode that pretty much do the reverse. One of the mecha zips by close to the camera and if you pause right there, you can see what seems to be a smear probably done in PS or AE. I've never touched the latter though so I'm not sure.

Name: Anonymous 2013-05-17 11:00

>>150
Example of Kou Yoshinari's post-processing style?

Name: Anonymous 2013-05-17 11:03

Name: Anonymous 2013-05-17 11:04

Name: Anonymous 2013-05-17 11:09

>>150
>>152
The recent Nanoha movie has a bunch of smoke and explosions that look really similar to Aninari's style. I thought it was funny when I watched it because if it's him it's got to be uncredited work, but if that's not the case then his influence on other Seven Arcs people is really obvious. It's more noticeable in motion, but compare http://snag.gy/L15Bg.jpg to things like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3uvuffWLDU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRWddLXEM88

Name: Anonymous 2013-05-17 11:14

>>153

Looks like shit.

Name: Anonymous 2013-05-17 12:50

>>143

Chuu2, Tamako, and the Free PV are all a regression towards early digital composition and color design, with a garishly bright palette. It's pretty astonishing how suddenly KyoAni seemingly lost their artistic pride after reaching the height of digital work in Hyouka.

Name: Anonymous 2013-05-17 13:02

>>157
You're right, we need more Madhouse shows with a brown color filter over everything. Death to lively palettes.

Name: Anonymous 2013-05-17 13:04

Hi people! I'm the guy who was asking about how to spot a CG animation in javascript:quote(84,"post1");.

So I'm trying to identify some of it in shows I'm watching. Is the  water's aniamtion we're getting in Gargantia's OP start CG animated?

Thanks guy.

Name: Anonymous 2013-05-17 13:07

>>158

Ace no Diamond is coming.

Idon't know why but I'm also expecting Madhouse to be animating Sidonia
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