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Name: Anonymous 2013-04-09 16:34

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Name: Anonymous 2013-04-10 13:40

>>77
I never said he should go to art school.
I even posted this >>30
Why would he need to go to art school with all those connections he already has.

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-10 13:41

Some animators don't even go to art school. Obari just visited studios and talked to animators, they trained him in meetings and eventually they hired him.

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-10 13:43

>>77
It's both. Same for Kou, it can be spelt Koh too. It's different methods of romanisations.

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-10 13:44

>>79
Hiroyuki Okiura didn't even go to college.
Miyazaki studied political science and economics, not art.

Art doesn't need any social education system.

Bahi:
I’m thankful to be working with and learning from very talented artists, I feel like a student during a production and all the others are my teachers.

So for him working in the anime industry is like studying animation.

source: http://cdn.halcyonrealms.com/animation/bahi-jd-artist-interview-part-i/

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-10 13:45

>>62
>>63

mamoru oshii said the same thing about the car cut in innocence (that cut with the cur passing through that shopping district with many lights or whatever it was), while trying to deny that it wasn't cg (which it wasn't). turned out it was rotoscoped. it's on the bd commentary. point is, I for one wouldn't listen to bahi dj who's pretty outspoken about rotoscoping. who knows what was asked and what was answered. "I told a friend to ask his friend..." this is third hand information already.

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-10 13:53

>>65

This confirms it: Okiura rotoscoped the Bebop opening.

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-10 13:54

>>85
And I for one wouldn't listen to an anonymous on /a/

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-10 13:56

Bahi is an art school himself
he is better than gobelins

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-10 13:58

You Yoshiari is interviewed about the future after LWA:

―リトルウィッチを作ったあとは、どのように活動される予定なんですか?

吉成 「早く今石さんの次回作をやりたいな、って思ってるんですけどね。楽しそうに見えて仕方ないんですよ。
     「背景をやって欲しい」とは言われていて、それはそれで楽しいとは思うんですけどね。
     出来れば演出をやりたいですね。今まではシナリオを無視したりしていたので、今度は
     キッチリやりたいなと。人が与えてくれたものをそのまま忠実にやりたいんです。
     最初に決められたとおりのものを、キチンと作るみたいなことをやってみたいなと。
     普通の演出家としてマトモな仕事をしてみたいというか。
     まだ勉強の段階だと思っているので。」

He basically says that right now he is working in Imaishi's upcoming anime and asks people to look forward to it. He also says that even if he is a total noob right now he would like to try to get another director work in the future.

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-10 13:58

>>85
I think you wouldn't even believe if Ohira would personally say that it's not rotoscoped.

who knows what was asked and what was answered.
Yea right http://imgur.com/mm8drRN

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-10 13:59

Rotoscoped or not, those cuts still luke like crap. Ohira should me ashamed.

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-10 13:59

>>90
nice comeback

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-10 14:00

>>90

Ohira didn't say it.

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-10 14:02

>>91

look*

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-10 14:04

>>90

If Bahi JD tells me who that friend of his is, then I might find the tweet less doubtful. I'm not going to believe a kid who says a lot of crap on twitter just because he animated a couple of nice scenes.

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-10 14:05

>>89
Yoh/You is so moe~

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-10 14:07

Bahi is Moe kid

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-10 14:09

hey guize, hey! consider the following: animating from reference is just as "bad" as doing rotoscope.

I always wonder. how come its okay to animate with references but not okay to have the reference under your sheet? a good draftsman can draw from reference just as good as tracing over image. if you draw with reference, you do not animate just like with rotoscope. you just copy movement from footage.

see my point?

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-10 14:10

whine Ohira rotoscoped
get proven wrong
whine about others lying

So this is what it's like to be delusional.

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-10 14:15

>>99

"Proven" is a strong word. Chinese whispers don't really prove anything, only that the channel is faulty.

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-10 14:15

>>95
If Bahi JD tells me who that friend of his is
Why don't you tell us who you are?


animating from reference is just as "bad" as doing rotoscope.
you are right, these Ghibli animators are doing animal abuse
http://youtu.be/xLmxKJjas0s?t=3m58s

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-10 14:16

>>101

wow, what assholes

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-10 14:16

Video references are eeeevil !
http://youtu.be/xLmxKJjas0s?t=4m6s

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-10 14:20

All this rotoscope hate. That's being so ignorant. It's just a tool. Any good creator knows how and when to use their tools. Including rotoscoping. Some of the most iconic animated films ever have rotoscoped cuts. Cry all you want. There's nothing inherently bad with it. Who gives a shit whether this list is true or not:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rotoscoped_works

Seriously?

But just like I will doubt wikipedia, I'll also doubt random, unbacked tweets

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-10 14:20

Most mecha animators use toys as reference, actually.

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-10 14:21

>>100
tweets open to public are chinese whisper?

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-10 14:21

>>101

I'm just a random poster who found this thread from /a/. Problem?

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-10 14:22

>>106

Well, the tweet itself is about how Bahi asked a guy to ask a guy, so...

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-10 14:22

Miyazaki did references (have other people act out/photographing himself).
Yasuo Otsuka did the same thing.
Disney had a bunch of animals in their studio when they're making  The Lion King.
Glen Keane went to museums and use Greek sculptures as references for the transformation scene of the Beast.

The point is, you don't just copy the references, you study them to make the animation.

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-10 14:23

>Miyazaki used references

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-10 14:23

Kid story was rotoscoped ?

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-10 14:25

>>111

According to Baha DJ, yes.

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-10 14:27

>>108
What do you expect him to do? Fly to tokyo, record an audio from Ohira confirming he didn't rotoscope the scene?

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-10 14:27

>>109

You can say the same thing about rotoscoping. "You're just studying". Trace things out, then modify them to fit your "vision". Fucking artfags and your terms. It's all the same shit.

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-10 14:27

>>111
Yes.
Source: a random poster on /carcom/
http://dis.4chan.org/read/carcom/1362594875/531

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-10 14:27

>>111 no
>>112 no

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-10 14:28

>>113

At least state who that friend is so we can know there is actually a connection with Shin'ya Ohira. That tweet sounds too much like various "My dad works for SHAFT" shit you read on /a/ all the time.

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-10 14:29

>>114
Fucking artfags and your terms

So you actually don't know shit about art but you posted like you're an expert in animation in the previous threads?

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-10 14:30

Using reference is not rotoscope, get over it
http://youtu.be/8NJRmhs8Epw?t=40s
Or start hating all animation films in the world.

Name: Anonymous 2013-04-10 14:30

>>>111

Yes. Watanabe talks about it in the DVD commentary.

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