I've noticed that high quality erotic CG artwork has a certain grasp of human perspective, such that characters are portrayed with femenine qualities and emotions. Good artists tend to have a firm grasp on female attitudes and clothing, while adding sexuality in any number of forms. Schoolgirls, office women, feudal Japanese characters, and any number of females can be drawn perfectly normal, or at least have some basis in reality, such that an artist without raging hormones could draw the same female in a completely non sexual situation. The female subject could simply be clothed, with a smile, and normal body proportions. But due to the inherent horniness of males towards females, various provocative elements are added- large breasts, flipped skirts, emphasized cameltoes, nudity and actual sex.
Compare this to the naked "horny slut" supermodel, with tongue hanging out, bent over with dripping pussy. I find this type of woman less realistic, and less appealing than a "normal looking" girl, quite attractive and cute, who happens to be in some sexual situation. In other words, the porn star who doesn't exist, versus the every day female who gets involved in a porn-like situation.
Japanese artists tend to recognize femeninity, and various female responses, including embarassment, shyness, willing provocation, and horniness. "Porn star" figures, on the other hand, display only raw sexuality with no basis in reality.
Perhaps the hentai medium is superior to average porn, since it can show the contrast between everyday human society and social normals with inhibited sexual urges. Porn itself is just sex, with no other reference. And live action porn movies or magazines have difficulty in showing anything other than raw pornography, lest they result to bad acting or poorly written text.
There was a time when US artists revelled in "society plus sexulity contrast," with cheesecake, pinup girls, fantasy art, and nudie mags of the past, but most have become relics. Why has pinup art died out? Perhaps women's lib and femenism have convinced society that girls are no longer objects, no longer foxy ladies with cute smiles and filled sweaters. But there is still regular porn in abundance. Check any adult magazine or web site, and you'll see typical "hot cum guzzling sluts who want hard cock now." I find this portrayal far less flattering to the female form than say, a normal but cute girl in an everyday setting mixed with any number of sexual situations. And this "normal everyday situation plus sex" can also be humurous and more provocative than say, some naked porn star.
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NotQuiteAllThere2005-01-09 0:18
And yet you find that people will think Hentai as so strange compared to normal porn, go fig.
Primarly why pin-up's died out? We absorbed it and it lost it's value. Primarly why the "old" idea of "Sex Sells" is now becoming outdated. Studies are showing sex is selling less and less. It lost is shock value.
Yay for the future when it's "Gratuitous Violance Sells"!
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Anonymous2005-01-09 0:58
Violence? Nah. Sex might get old, but comedy always sells.
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Anonymous2005-01-09 6:25
Part of it also is that people really do get desensitised to stuff, like an addiction.
To get the same pleasure they need something new, something harder, more exotic or more extreme.
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NotQuiteAllThere2005-01-09 14:33
It's offical, though, Porno and related things are offically more addictive then drugs, drinking, and eggnog...
However it is difficult to make assessments when using inclusive catchall phrases like Hentai and pornography. I have very little interest in hardcore porn and supermodels, to me it's too obvious that it's just photos of people getting paid to be naked and/or have sex. And I don't respect anyone who is so useless their only means of making a living is being photographed.
Amateur photography and voyeurism are much closer to reality, but rarely do I ever find any content worth keeping. The quality of real amateur and voyeur pictures is usually quite bad. Fortunately there is a decent amount of porn out there that has first time (or at least non-professional) models.
Going back to the subject of hentai, there are no limitations on what the situation could be. The subject could be (and often is) virginal young women or middle aged MILFs, the decision is up to the artist. Obviously there's far more genres of hentai than there are of porn simply, and while that can be a good thing for people who like variety, it's damaging for those of us who prefer mundane, realistic scenarios. In other words, you can still find true-to-life proportioned girls, but you're going to have to sift through the pictures with over-sized emphasis on the naughty bits.
There's also a lot of bizzare hentai. I find some pictures amusing because of how rediculous they are but really it's just sad if someone is actually aroused by that stuff.
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Urushihara2005-01-09 18:57
The first commentor is absolutely right. I find that porn (including a lot of hentai these days) go to the ultimate extreme for shock value. I don't find myself even remotely interested in those. But those which keep the artistic proportions intact, without oversizing, overaccentuating, or otherwise deforming the natural beauty of a female for sexual shock value, those I find, are quite appealing.
They're appealing because in my mind, there is a much closer connection to reality than the warped imaginations of a deranged pedophilic (I HATE lollies!), beastialist (I HATE Furries!) demon possessed (I HATE Tentacles!) sex-a-holic. I prefer works which are accurately drawn to scale, very tame, properly shaded and/or coloured, without the extreme deformations in an attempt to appeal to specific dysfunctional sexual appetites. The more disproportionate it is, the less appealing it becomes.
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Anonymous2005-01-11 13:14
what does it matter? they're just drawn so they're not real. you shouldn't get turned on or be attrackted to anything thats not real. at least the real porn stars are real.
>>8
Yeah, because porn is so 'real', what with just about ever person in porn having gone through a few rounds of plastic surgery and christ, the acting and 'pleasure' in real porn is so fake it makes hentai seem genuine.
Porn is for fantasy, not for seeing something 'real'.
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Anonymous2005-01-13 9:34
>>10
but they still exist somewhere so you could still possibly meet them. you can never met an anime girl. guys who lik anime girls are messed up. why wuld you want anime when there is the real thing?
Do you find porn hot because you think it's likely that you'll have sex with the porn star, or just because she's hot? Do you find britney spears/jessica alba/anna kournikova etc etc hot because you think you have a good chance with them, or because they're just aestetically pleasing? If it's just because they're attractive and well proportioned, then the same would hold true for animated females as well; however, for animation, every female can be physically perfect to an unrealistic degree, unlike the gutter trash you see in real porn.
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Anonymous2005-01-13 15:26
>>11
HA! As if anyone here had any chance of meeting(never mind dating) a porn actress, or somone as attractive.
Besides, no one is saying they don't want real women at all. In fact, *not* finding a 2D representation of an attractive woman to be a turn on is unnatural.
(apologies, >>9, I can't find the quote right now)
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BreakManGiko2005-01-13 19:56
"I-I don't get it... how could you get excited over a drawing like this?"
"Ah, there's a lot of people like you who take jabs at the 2-D complex. For, example, what does this look like- :)"
"A face?"
"Then, what about this-
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"A female body?"
"That's right. Even such primitive symbols look like something else with human imagination. You might call this a function of the human brain. You can understand that by looking at the cave drawings from ancient times. The ancient men saw on that cave wall the animals running across the vast plains! Therefore, those people who say that they can't jack off to anime must have something wrong with their brains! Otherwise, they're just trying to act cool! Pornographic drawings existed in the Edo Period, too!"
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Anonymous2005-01-15 12:40
>>11
You actually think that there is a possiblity that one day you will meet a porn star and she'll want to do you? Hold on while I laugh uproariously at you.
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Anonymous2005-01-18 10:26
WTF is wrong wit u ppl? Anime and game girls don't look like real people at all. If u saw some1 look lik that, you think their ugly! Even if u do lik hentai, why go for hentai and not a real porno?
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Anonymous2005-01-18 11:42 (sage)
You enjoy porno and I enjoy both porno and hentai.
It's clear who is the winner.
Read >>12 and >>6, and then, shut the fuck up. Retard.
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Anonymous2005-01-18 14:04
but anime and game girls dont look at all lik real women they're not "asteticaly pleasing" thats why its sick that you like that. they don't look real at all.
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Anonymous2005-01-18 14:09
>>19
I think *somebody* has repressed sexual feelings. Or maybe they're just mad they'll never make sweet love to Lum.
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Anonymous2005-01-18 15:51
>>19
it's not as if people that like hentai like ALL hentai, including wierd ass deformed pics(although some must)... in general, some art is realistic, and some is not. I guess you never got the memo.
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Anonymous2005-01-19 7:36
anime isn't realistic. no girls have boobs lik that in real life.
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Suzaku2005-01-19 8:38
>>22
There are those that have gotten plastic surgery boob, and some of them have bigger boob than an anime&game characteers.
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Anonymous2005-01-19 10:11
sorry for troling. my gf is always saying that stuf an i just wanted to get sum stuff to point out to her 2. there are ppl who get off on eating fecees but i think as long as they dont make me, i don't care. to each his own an stuff. even if i am sick for liking hentai, thats how i am an she shuld love me anyways and just accept it.
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Anonymous2005-01-19 10:15 (sage)
>>24
FYI, this isn't IRC. You don't need to save time with shortcuts here.
>>22
Actually, you'd be suprised what a lifetime of drinking commercial milk does. Not the organic stuff, but the stuff that comes from factory farms. The cow steroids do not metabolize it 100%, so they get passed to the milk drinker. That is what leads to big boobs. However it causes guys to get boobs too.
I have heard from a girl that visited all over asia, that the milk over there does not taste the same. It makes me wonder if it has all the steroids and crap found in America's factory farm milk. However, it seems likely, how else would you explain AV model Anna Ohura, or the Oppai pages that were once at Zance.com?
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Anonymous Does Not Forgive2005-01-20 12:50
>>27
Anno Ohura? Gosh, I dunno, maybe she was just born that way? There are, what, eighty million people in Japan? Genetically there have to be just a few at the right-hand side of the breast size bell curve, right?
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Anonymous2005-01-20 16:59
milk produced in asia and europe is different than ones produced in america. now shush before i gas you.
geez. did you fall on your head when you were a kid?
Mostly I find hentai more pleasing then real porn is because the women are..perfect, and you have to be a fag to say you don't want a women thats perfect in every way. Porn just will have a women with big breasts, but they might have something on it that you don't like, or their ass might look strange, or their face might look kind of bad, but everything else is fine.
but with hentai, you can always find something that you like. perfect body, women with attractive attitudes.
I hate to sound like a dork, but I wish real life women could be like that. I always found hentai to be more attractive then the real thing. pretty sad, huh?
but I guess if women and men were perfect in every physical way, we would just be having sex 24/7
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Anonymous2005-01-21 7:29
Porn or hentai, it's all about fueling a fantasy anyways. All the sex is going on inside one's head, not on the screen. The sceen is just a bunch of images, which are really just a bunch of colored dots. The arousal happens in the mind. In victorian days, certain phallic rock formations or sculptures were just as erotic to some people. There was nothing wrong with them, it's just what started their fantasy.
In any case, who is anybody to judge others' fantasies?
Yeah right. Do you have any idea how much photo editing goes into a magazine like Hustler? Airbrush baby! Not to mention the amount of plastic that tends to go into the women themselves. >>31
Agreed.
Pornography (usually) is there to envoke a fantasy idea or setting. You're as likely to score with an airbrushed beauty as you are to score with an anime girl. But you could imagine being with either of them.
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Kuro no san2005-02-02 9:58
I would be inclined to agree, the people in anime are much more perfect. You can scan through series and find whatever you like, perfection geared towards you, perhaps a shy, busty, girl with long hair, freckles and glasses, or maybe a short haired, athletically slim tomboy. If anime women and men were to be real? I am sure that they would be the ideals. Shit, people from anime don't exist? I hate to compare to a video game, bit Kikou Inoue - I-No from Guilty Gear http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/images/encyc/P542-5.jpg http://www.neo-arcadia.com/tests/ggxx/image008.jpg
That is how unrealistic some anime girls can be, considering that she is one hot little character and she's designed off of her voice actress. Some are more realistic, some aren't. To each their own and may they enjoy the arousal they achieve.
Personally, I don't like liveaction because they're flawed. Admittedly humans are flawed, but that doesn't mean that I have to accept it when there are alternatives.
meh. "perfect" women/bodies. Is there really such a thing? Arguing that Hentai girls can be "perfect" retarded, because they're just the same as regular porn stars. Besides, it's the little imperfections that make people beautiful, or else we'd all be the same and things would be boring and sucky. Lets just agree that even if animated, it's a representation of sex. Sex is hardcoded into everyone's brain. Therefore, everyone's turned on by at least the vanilla stuff, hentai or not. Now quit whining and go out and find someone real instead of sitting here arguing. Someone you can touch, feel, see in 3D, sense, etc. They'll be much more interesting than any pixels on your screen. Till then, enjoy.
*takes his own advice*
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Anonymous2005-02-04 17:05
try to date a gymnast, they can squeeze you from the inside... it suprised the shit out of me
ofcourse that didnt last very long
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Kuro no san2005-02-04 19:16
>> 35
-smiles- I have the 3D sense down already in a nice lithe package.
I wasn't just talking about hentai girls, ecchi girls too. Imperfections, much like perfection, is subjective. Someone might see freckles as ugly, some would see it as perfect. To me, my ideal would be like some of the characters in anime, and in fact, I have my ideal. Personality and form wise. Perhaps I should have simply used ideal rather than perfect considering the numbers of potential 'perfects' in different people's minds.
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Kuro no san2005-02-05 8:27
Correction from my brother, not Kikou Inoue, but Shina Ringo.
Ideals/Perfection sickens me. It's almost impossible to find pictures of "real" girls anymore without the photo series looking like a pathetically faked lamer photoshoot. Where is the pr0n where people actually look like they're enjoying themselves and not faking it? I guess it's nearly impossible to find a girl willing to be in internet pr0n that is also willing to "be herself" anymore.
Hmm... I think this may be linked to my slowly worsening schizophrenia...
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K_x_uksami2005-03-03 18:29
Basically, all porn is what is known as hyperreality, a simulation of reality so good that it is better than the real thing. Real women do not look like hentai characters. It is all an idealized portrayal of sex. It's a simulation of something that never really existed. Just my two cents.
people aren't perfect. if you want to dance off into a fantasy world, fine with me. but saying "ZOMG I WISH CHICKS WOULD LOOK LIKE THE GIRLS IN HENTAI" makes you seem a bit pathetic. would you say that to an actual girl and not just the people around 4chan?
That said, of course there ARE otaku out there, who if they managed to actually meet a girl, would say something like "you don't look enough like rei-chan/kouyama mitsuki-chan for me".
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Ashley2005-05-21 17:33
Totally agree, and it's the same for both genders. Male porn stars (and males all around) are funny looking at the best of times and since porn is so very, very rarely geared for women, they have the personalities of emotionally stunted lumberjacks, assuming they speak at all. However in yaoi and certain hentai, there's a grace and a beauty to bishounen and biseinen that the real deal so rarely emulates. You never see a bishounen beauty with a beer gut, a receding hair line, and pubic hair reaching up to his shoulderblades. Yech. Give me a perfect fair-haired bishounen any day of the week.
Problem with real porn you get the same old sequence with setting that are just overused. Mainly because of legal (ie cant film a real 16 yr old etc etc) or taste really.
Hentai there is no restriction. Albeit you get the sick stuff of course.
Hentai is for the literary and philisophical Elite. DUH
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Anonymous2005-08-15 1:02
I think the girls in anime and hentai look good because that is how the artists want them to look. Besides, who looks at porn or hentai because they're hoping to hook up with the people on the videos?
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Anonymous2005-08-24 23:54
Realistic? How many women have you met with 67-23-30 measurements?
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Anonymous2005-08-25 14:05
I bet every single one of you lamers are virgins.
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Anonymous2005-08-25 21:10
>>>56 I bet you're a fat guy living at home with his mom in his 20's
Actually, the only porn i really dislike is American. European porn (No not THAT kind of Euro porn) seems to have well balanced, ordinary women and Asian porn the girls tend to be a bit shy, but seem really cute. Way better then a silicone breasted porn star shouting "OH MY GOD RAM MY DRIPPING HOT PUSSY WITH YOUR GARGANTUAN LOIN LOBSTER!"
I actually think that people who say 'get a real girl' are being jerks. I mean, what about people who aren't into dating, and the people who girls don't like?
And then there's me, who is female and can't get a girl cus they're all afraid of me >_<
(Indeed. Kudos for Genshiken readers)
Seriously though. If that's what you're into then that's all there is to it. Not like your entire future's gonna be ruined if you prefer hentai to porn.
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Silph2005-11-26 10:19
I have to say that I agree and disagree with the points made about perfection, for instance; yes, hentai girls do have a much more of a sence of reality attached to them because they're not skinny women with tonnes of make up on begging for 13 inch cocks, they're the actual girl next door or that girl you have a crush on (in a non-perverted way and stalkerish way). But I think you've got to be careful about calling them 'perfect', everyone's idea of perfect is different, it doesn't make much sence to talk about a 'perfect girl', if you see what I mean.
Also people who enjoy hentai aren't all people who hope to date a real anime girl, connecting sexaul fantasy and what you want in a relationship are two different subjects. If you really want a porn star as your girlfriend/boyfriend you don't want them for the relationship, you want them for a sex and the masochistic glory.
I mean really, people who enjoy loli don't all actually want to have sex with little children, it's just something in your head, a fantasy, most people can tell the different between what a fantasy and what reality is. At least I hope they can.
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Frostbite2005-12-08 10:04
It takes a really good porn to get me going, and that said, it can't be just pictures. Hentai has the fantasy thing going though.
In hentai a girl can have sex with anything imaginable. She can be taken advantage of by an older teacher, and it doesn't look fake or corny because they aren't actors getting paid. Not to mention all the tentacle sex and weird creature sex. I'd like pornstars try to pull that off.
Seeing pornstars fake orgasms and knock people out with their awful boobjobs will just never compare to a hot anime girl getting raped by tentacles or having hot and steamy shower sex.
And yet my boyfriend finds porn to be the more attractive of the two. Probably just because it's real people. whatever, he still watches my hentai with me. Hah.