MMA sucks

They call UFC, WEC, and all that other crap "mixed martial arts" but the only style you see are a bunch of guys on the floor hugging each other. If I wanted to watch that I would've stayed in Turkey. Boxing takes way more skill and is way more physically demanding than MMA hands down. I liked the early UFC but it sucks ass now.

>>40
Faggot

the problem w/mma is the punkass rules i.e. no attackes to the back of the head,groin,eyes,knees,and premanently injurious areas.MM gay

The MMA hate here is ridiculous. Are some of you angry at most of the fighters move set? I'm sorry but we had like UFC 1-29 to show us what is effective and what isn't. BJJ, Muay Thai, wrestling, and boxing have proven most effective but any martial art is welcome and several notable fighters even have background in karate. Are you mad that the fighters don't look like long hair bishonen anime fags? Do they in any sport?

I'd like to see any of you get in the ring with me and call me gay when I'm rear naked choking you or heel hooking you. "Dude man why you grabbing me, you're a fa-----aaaaaaaggghhhhh".

TC here and maker of several subsequent posts, honest. I recant EVERYTHING I said in this topic. I really do respect MMA and watch every UFC or other promotion's pay-per-views or events I can. I was just trolling, sorry. Also I'm glad to say I'm not Turkish.

UFC 101 predictions, I might be wrong but it's still fun to predict.

B.J. Penn will successfully retain the Lightweight Championship against Kenny Florian and win by submission.

Anderson Silva will TKO Forrest Griffin in round 2.

Amir Sadollah will make Johny Hendricks tap out.

I'm undecided on Kendall Grove vs. Ricardo Almeida and I think it'll probably go to a decision.

Kurt Pellegrino and Josh Neer are evenly matched to but I have a feeling Kurt will make Josh tap out.

Trolling or not.. They are skilled fighters and can dry hump anyone here to death.

First off, I respect MMA fighters and Boxers,  MMA fighters and Boxers both train very hard, and get the shit beat out of them on a regular basis, unless your really good. You can also find all the information I am saying from wikipedia

MMA and Boxing As a Sport: 

I can not admit that MMA is a sport, it is, and you cant deny it, remarkably similar to a street fight. Rules in MMA basically only keep you from maiming or just short of killing your opponent. Other than the no super cheap shots rules its basically anything goes.  Any sport that allows one to sit on his opponent and beat their face in lacks sportsmanship and is there for not a sport IMO. (Remember before you get to mad this is all an Opinion which I am entitled to.)
Boxing has many many rules, and is extremely technical.  When someone goes down in Boxing you cant sit on their chest and beat their face in... You can only use your fists, and you see a lot of wins that aren't based on brute force, but skill and strategy. Points vs KO. Its a pretty clean sport (No cheap shots), aside from some infamous fouls and cheating, Tyson and his biting, stuff under hand wraps.
The weight classes in IBF vary from low to high, at lower classes 3 lbs difference puts you in a different weight class, then closer to 5 lbs difference until you hit the top 3 weight classes.  The fighters are always matched by weight to keep the match fair.  UFC weight classes are +- 10 lbs at lower weights then move up to 60 lbs difference between the light heavy and heavy weight classes... meaning if your in light heavyweight then someone could fight you that has 50 lbs on you... how is that fair?

Skills Involved:

While a lot of the rednecks who use racist comments, like the ones above, would have you believe that UFC requires more Skill and that UFC fighters are the most skilled fighters in the world. I am calling BS on that.  MMA is by no means anything similar to ART... they should really get a more fitting name...  The most skilled fighters in the world generally specialize in certain styles, they probably arent affiliated with associations that give out belts... let me tell you this your belt means nothing! Ive seen an obese woman who could not lift her leg more than a foot of the ground with a black belt...  While hitting anything moving requires some level of skill, a knee to the head is a simple enough task and an almost guaranteed knock out.  While some MMA fighters may posses skills far above average, most of them are just I'll tempered "tough guys" that try to knock their opponent out with little controlled flurries of punches and kicks, or try to wrestle their opponents to the ground so they can sit on them and beat their heads in.
In Boxing you can only use your fists... you can only hit above the belt, and cannot use your open hand (aside from blocking)  The opponent often gaurds their head and upper body quite effectively making it harder to actually land damaging punches. Thus it requires a lot more precision and technique to knock someone out boxing than in MMA.  Think about it what would knock you out more easily, a punch in the face, or a knee to your head.

In terms of Power MMA gloves and Boxing gloves have a hair splitting difference in the amount of force generated by punches. (source:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T14JMqi4qr8)

How Real is it?:

MMA is closer to a real fight as there are very few restrictions as far as fighting sports come.  However, its not so real that you can assume the champion is the best fighter in the world, I am sure there are many good martial artists and fighters that would be unwilling to compete in MMA that would wipe the floor with several champions.  A sure sign of this is how quickly champions change in MMA, Boxers have been known to defend their title many many times, proving that they are the best of their sport.  A lucky shot or knee in the head can cause a change of champions. Boxing is not close to real life, nor is it supposed to be.  That's why I think its funny when washed up tv personalities, cough *Joe Rogan* rant that MMA is a "real" fight.  In a real fight your precious UFC champions would not do so well.  Remember in the real world we have things called weapons... not to mention eye gouging, nut shots, and biting/scratching. I see plenty of opportunities when watching UFC for someone to end someones career or life, the difference between UFC and real life is that in real life they would die or be crippled...

MMA vs Boxing:

First off it is completely ridiculous that people would even think of saying "An MMA user would beat a boxer in a fight."  BOXING IS A SPORT!!! its not made for self defense or to use in real life its a fighting style for the ring...  Now to crossing fields.  A boxer in MMA has a high chance of losing, if you assume they will stick to boxing style,  however, those punches are nothing to mess around with, especially since your dropping from 10oz gloves to 4 oz gloves.  An MMA fighter in boxing would most likely lose... Their gloves are heavier and they cant use majority of their arsenal... what are you going to do if you cant wrestle me to the ground? get beat in the face by the sweet science.

IMO Boxing > MMA for all of time... if you like to see fellow humans beaten to pulps and bleeding all over the place there is something wrong with you... and you might want to see a psychiatrist that specializes in sadism...

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what EVERYONE needs to remember here, (and I know the 'MMA fighters are the baddest asses in the world' UFC fans don't want to hear this) is that BOTH boxing and MMA are SPORTS. NOT actual close quarters combat techniques. Sure, they both use techniques used in real street fighting self defense...but just because you are a great mixed martial artist OR boxer does not mean you are going to do dick-shit in a fight against someone who TRAINS for REAL fighting. Half of those fancy chokes you see so often used in MMA would easiy be defended against  in a fight where anything goes. And i'll admit, some of the joint locks/arm bars would be great but in order to APPLY most of them you have to put yourself in a position where you could get SERIOUSLY hurt in a no-rules environment i.e; losing a testicle, suffering a pierced eyeball ect...

They are both SPORTS. And for the blood thirsty, give it up...because NEITHER of them are any 'closer' to real life fighting. In fact, thinking this way as an MMA artist is a sure way to get yourself in big trouble in a street fight just like a boxer thinking he has it covered would be a mistake as well.

People need to step back and acknowledge them as two different sports with two different sets of rules...neither being better or 'closer to the real thing' than the other.

Saying that MMA is more like real fighting compared to boxing is like saying that playing with toy guns is closer to being in real combat than playing video games. It doesn't really make any difference because they are both pretty different than the real thing.

I think boxing and MMA are both great sports. I just think it's sad that the X box generation finds the need to constantly reassure themselves that MMA is the baddest ass thing in the world.  Goes right along with society today, people walking around full of themselves trying to believe that they are a notch above the rest. Kids are signing up for MMA gyms and wearing tapout clothes because they think it'll make them the chuck norris of real life. I guess what I miss about the old boxing days is the soft spoken nature of many kids training to be boxers. They did it for the sport. Seems like now you get a lot of people getting into MMA because they want to be the toughest guy walking the street, NOT because they want to be the toughest guy in the ring.

When someone goes down in Boxing you cant sit on their chest and beat their face in...

@your mother... What you mentioned is an ongoing argument within the MMA community. The attitudes you see displayed by many UFC fighters are encouraged and in some cases manufactured, just so that the UFC fighters will appeal to the WWE's huge audience. UFC fighters make a good portion f their income based upon the audience they draw to PPV events, so it is in their best interests to create drama and publicity. Why do you think that Kimbo Slice is being so heavily promoted? He's popular and he is friends with Dana White, who decides who fights who in the UFC. The majority of what you see in the UFC (right now) and on the Ultimate Fighter show are brawlers, not martial artists, and the matches are set up by a matchmaker so that the viewing audience will see what they want to see. There is no orderly progression from amateur to contender, there are no tournaments that establish a pecking order, and there is currently no reward for a fighter to stick with traditional martial arts. For the doubters, this highlight clip shows what a true mixed martial artist is capable of - fighting at all ranged with highly developed skill and well practiced technique.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBTKwhLeM8c&feature=player_embedded . If the UFC were to setup a tournament system then fighters like this will dominate the ranks and all of the unskilled brawlers will be gradually eliminated leaving a core group of martial artists who would likely be professional and drama free, and this would only appeal to an audience made up of martial artists. The UFC would fade away. The UFC is better off financially by remaining a market-driven industry riding on the coat-tails of the WWE.

>>51

Please explain to us how you would defend against those chokes in "anything goes".

I am not intimidated by these punk kids wearing Tapout shirts.

I don't like how some people who practice MMA claim that it can be used for any fight. It cannot be used in a street fight; remember it is still a sport. Outside the cage, in a street fight, anything goes. An MMA practitioner VS a soldier with military martial arts (Krav Maga, MCMAP, etc.) would have their asses handed over to them.

>>57

You have yet to provide any example of an unarmed technique that would be useful in a "street fight" but not in an MMA fight.

I've seen street fights on Youtube and those retards suck at fighting.

This is a pretty stupid thread...

Everyone knocks the MMA fighters for not being "martial artists"...

About 99% of the time the fighters are introduced as a Black Belt in their respective martial art. Anyone who watches enough UFC/WEC will see the techniques in action from any martial art.

Take Jose Aldo's 8 second knockout over Cub Swanson a while back, pure Muy Thai double knee to the head. Or tonight watching him again using Jui Jitsu to lock down Mike Brown and beat him into a TKO.

Judo and Jui Jitsu may be wrestling but they both incorporate more than just submissions. Any black belt in Judo can both submit an opponent or throw him and either have him land safely or pull his support and plow his head straight into the ground.

If you think it's just rolling around hugging eachother you've obviously missed the entire technical side of the sport. You can roll around and hug a guy all you want but it takes training and a technique to roll him, get past his guard, flip him and then get him to submit...

I'd put an MMA fighter against a wrestler any day.

And to top it off, one of the most important aspects of MMA is the mutual respect most of the athletes have for eachother. If they've got any martial arts training the first thing they learned was self control, respect, and sportsmanship.

Also, for everyone who's like, "I wanna see capeoira" " i wanna see karate"... You're missing the fact that these styles are completely ineffective in the cage.

The fighters learn BJJ, Judo, Muy Thai, and Kick Boxing because they're the most effective ways to submit or knockout an opponent.

Muy Thai knee attacks deliver the most power of any type of hit in any martial art. So why not use them? If you don't, whatever it is you learned is going to leave you open to getting your ass pummeled in the cage.

And if you can't wrestle, the moment you come upon a wrestler you'll get pinned so hard you black out.

I've seen it happen in the cage so many times... BJJ artists come in thinking they're golden with their black belt only to find their opponent is trained in BJJ and kick boxing so he can escape their attacks and then fight on his feet where the black belt isn't effective. It's how the world champ BJJ guy got beat on WEC... Sad to watch, but after the fight the winner literally got on his knees in front of him respecting his status as the best wrestler in his form.

It's the respect of most of the fighters that draws me in.

Groundfighting isn't that easy, one arm out of place and you're done... &&& you dont really stay there doing nothing and by the end of it you're really burning... On skill; every sport needs skill, but it really depends on the athletes... but all in all, they're just sports, rules and stuff, open hand fighting is kinda redundant with guns abo

MMA is just that. MIXED MARTIAL ARTS. Sure the most popular of them are wrestling, BJJ, and Muay Thai but every individual fighter studies various disciplines and styles to add to his arsenal.

>>62

Anyone who talks crap about groundfighting should get the balls to go to an MMA studio, try to get a free one-day or one-week trial and do some serious rolling with a black belt or even a lesser belt. They won't be running their mouths then.

0 tracas, 0 blabla, MMA !

Those who think Boxers won't kick your ass in a real street fight should re-think what they're saying.  A real boxer will dodge ANY MMA'er's (Ie. Muay Thai trained) sloppy punch. 

And Boxing DOES have leg techniques.  It just evolved with a different mindset.  Muay Thai for example has kicks.  Boxing sacrifices these kicks for INCREASED MANUEVERABILITY.  FOOTWORK. 

Most people don't realize how even an amateur boxer who trains everyday in the gym will run circles and destroy any MMA'er who trains twice or thrice a week with distilled skills. 

All a boxer has to learn is to defend against leg kicks to the thighs, body, head, and the sprawl.  That's it.  It's easier to teach that than to teach a Muay Thai'er or MMA'er how to punch properly and with any semblance of power without telegraphing their intended move so vividly.

My point is, don't piss off a real boxer if you think you're an MMA fighter.  You'll be in for a rude awakening.

MMA is just brute force "AIM FOR THE TEMPLE!"  It's not martial arts, it's just "Ok, here's how you kick the wrong way, here's how you punch the wrong way, oh and don't go against real Judo fighters because they'll just break your arm, shoulder, kneck, knee's, feet, ankles, ribs, neck, back and your skull anytime you get anywhere near them." then it's "Oh, and don't worry about disipline, all MMA fighters are idiotic assholes with bad attitudes."

>>67

What is martial arts to you? A bunch of $300 a month scammers who do soft punches in the air, do "forms", point sparring, don't even acknowledge grappling or groundfighting, and require you to buy their crap.

>>66
so why are boxing only people so unsuccessful in mma?

mma sucks. mercer knocked out sylvia in less than 10 secs. mercer is 48, sylvia is 33. it was an mma fight, not a boxing match. mma sucks. end of discussion. the only mma fighters that have talent are anderson silva and gsp. forrest griffin moves in slow motion, and anderson humiliated him using superior boxing skills. what happened to griffin's ground game? if you notice anderson always wins a fight standing up. because he is a trained boxer and muay thai artist. he has great footwork and very good with his hands. frank mir got his ass whooped by lesnar without so much skill involved. just brute strength. and dana white offering mayweather to fight sean sherk for 2 million dollars??? are you kidding me? he made at least 25 million dollars for the dela hoya fight. he could even make at least 15 million dollars if he fights a nobody like bobby pacquiao. he looks at ufc like it is garbage. i am not saying all mma fighters suck, but most of them do.

@70
mercer was also submitted by kimbo slice, who at the time had barely any wrestling/bjj skill. anderson silva has won a few fights on the ground, watch his fight against dan henderson.

ALRIGHT HERES THE DEAL. Just because you know a little bit of this style and a little bit of that style DOESNT MAKE YOU A GOOD. Your a jack of all trades, MASTER OF NONE. Also, mma has rules, if you depended on mma in a real fight against someone good, you would most likely lose and lose bad. And for your information grappling isn't effective at all if the other guy is an expert at keeping his distance and destroying you at the same time. so you can scratch that too. mma might be fun to learn, but to use it against someones who well experienced in kung fu, or the like is useless, as they wouldn't even waste their time with that mma crap.

ground fighting and grappling is for bitches who dont know how to keep their opponent at bay and take them out without even that close to them in the first place

To me, MMA is nothing but a sport(like wrestling) but has street uses. MMA isn't a martial art, when you think of it, it's nothing but wrestling.

(That's all I'm saying, no bashing. Opinions all the way)

Ok guys and girls MM fuckin mutherfuckin dick suckin A can suck my dick! first of all to beat someone like a gay mma figher u need to master just one type of fighting style for example boxing,muay thai etc. and when i say master i mean really know everything about it and stuff. then get into the ring and beat the shit out of everyone of those guys who are looking for an exuse to touch you on ur balls and feel on u and shit! that is my idea!

>>77
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>>77
can i suck your dick?

UFC supporters-faggot, gay, and n****r r insults u guys jus love. heres my Freudian analysis based on ur pathetic rhetoric. UFC supporters are gay, love getting butt-fucked and geetng "grappled" and gang banged by a bunch of ex-cons who would just pull out a gun and blow sum dumbass MMA's head off on the "street."