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Pi is not the true circle constant

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-10 13:16

Here is a compelling, interesting, coherent argument for a new circle constant :

http://tauday.com/

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-10 14:57

meh. it makes sense but while you're at it we might as well switch to an octal or hexadecimal numeral system... and well hell i'm sure there are bunch more conventions that could be "corrected"

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-10 15:17

I understand this guy's argument but I don't see the immense need to overload tau like he does.

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-10 15:29

>>3
What do you mean by overload, like that tau is already used for other things?

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-10 16:40

Does anyone here understand the purpose for pi?

Pi isn't about circles, it's about correcting the general flaw within mathematics.

Like mathematics itself, pi is just another construct that supports the original construct OF mathematics.

This way, we don't have to start from scratch...which is probably what is necessary.

From my point of view, mathematics is flawed because of "cookie-cutting" values. While there are similarities, if only these are counted, what about the differences/distinctions? Those are left out entirely. Compiled through geometric accumulation leads to a general fault...such as what causes pi to become a required add-on for mathematics.

:/

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Name: Anonymous 2010-07-10 16:47

>>4
More or less.  I personally have no control over this sort of thing and would see no reason to object to it (hand in hand with having no reason to promote it).

One argument that I was demonstrated early was that pi is the curve distance of a hemisphere with 1 radius and 2 diameter.  To walk around the hemisphere from 0 (start) to 180 (end) degrees, you walk pi units; to walk in a straight line between those same points ("start" to "end") you walk 2 units.  Can this be rephrased without implying a "half-tau?"

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-10 17:32

>>6
There's nothing wrong with using ½τ, as long as it's less common than 2π.

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-11 9:37

This... makes a lot of sense, actually.

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-12 23:39

It's cute about the radian measure relating to obvious fractions of the circle.  I don't know why I never just looked at such a drawing and saw the radian measures as relating to fractions of a semicircle, given that I already knew that pi radians is a semicircle's worth.  Oh well, forest and trees I guess.

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-12 23:56

>>10

Get

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-13 4:45

I don't know... "Alabama tau"?

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-13 15:54

I'll disagree with his "nothing to memorize" assertion on the special values. You don't memorize them for angle-radian conversion, which is trivial. You memorize them because they have convenient exact values for the trigonometric functions.

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-14 4:52

>>11
what?
>>12
yeah but they dont make intuitive sense

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-14 8:31

>>13
Maybe your intuition is broken.

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-14 8:38

>>14
It makes more sense to define a circle constant according to a full circle not half of one

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-14 12:05

>>15
What's the length of a string?

Double the distance from the center to either end.

:/

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-14 16:31

>>15
CIRCLE MY ANUS

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-15 4:08

>>17
we're not queer, sorry to disappoint.

:/

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-15 7:42

>>17
the cancer is spreading

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-15 9:53

>>19
lol, it's spreading to >>17's anus. :P

:/

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-15 23:57

>>19
What cancer?

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-16 3:52

>>21
HMA

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-16 23:02

>>22
That's not ``cancer'', it's the wave of the future.

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-17 4:22

>>23
Back to /prog/, please

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-17 10:00

>>24
Don't send him back there.
We don't want this shit either.

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-17 18:05

>>25
Speak for yourself!

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-21 15:57

>>24
Lead by example.

Name: bump 2010-12-12 12:29

Pro-τ bump

Name: 4tran 2010-12-20 9:31

One major gripe I have is that using his convention would require a redefinition of sin/cos/tan/etc (he hints at it in his article).

This would turn their taylor series into horrible messes.

sin/cos in particular are important as solutions to
y" = -y

I suppose at some level, you could just shrug all this off and just use the exponential function.

To be fair, I should reveal that I despise the letter tau for no obvious reason.

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-21 21:59

>>29
How would it require redefinition? It wouldn't change the Taylor series at all.

Name: 4tran 2010-12-22 2:27

>>31
Actually, I may have been talking out of my ass.
Even with redefinition, pi radians = tau/2 radians ~ 3.14 radians
Since the numerical values don't change, the functions don't change.  I should have thought more before posting
:S

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-23 14:01

that did seem to make sense

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-25 17:49

Yep. From now on I'm using tau.

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-25 20:55

The only convincing arguement I can see is for making it easier to recognize what arc segment represents what fraction of a circle, but it's only a factor of two, and are mathematicians who can't encompass a factor of two into their mental working surely not in the wrong field?

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-04 18:16

Since I celebrate Yellow Pig Day instead of Pi Day, I support the Tau Manifesto.

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-29 10:50

of course it's not a true circle {constant}, the very nature of the pi dough causes irregularities in the crust which will always run counter to a perfectly smooth line.

what? not that kind of pi?

sorry.

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-31 18:06

I felt like I lost some time there.

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