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What if God was discovered?

Name: Anonymous 2010-06-11 2:36

When science discovers God it won't be a God anymore. God is religious term for "all-powerful deity", of course "all-powerful" is like "miraculous  metal attracting magnets". I say it could be huge disappointment for theists when their God would be something like alien energy blob in another dimension.

Name: Anonymous 2010-06-11 5:28

>>1
this is why atheists should leave theism up to theists. How do you explain simple things to laymen whom expect complex terminology?
If I don't know it all, as surely no human can know it all, my explanations should remain vague to be inclusive of possibilities that are yet as of now undiscovered.

But no, you want explicit detailed and elaborate explanations to detail and define all the very things you've yet to discover on your own and yet you think you will know it when you come to hear it? That is the fool's errand, and I would be a fool to engage a fool any longer. Surely, the nature of a fool is to waste time and accomplish nothing...talking about scientifically discovering God, all-powerful deity equates to miraculous metal attracting magnets, and some type of huge disappointment for theists...God would be something like alien energy blob in another dimension.
When I hear these things, I know and understand I am listening to a foolish, petulant, complacent, ignorant, insecure, adolescent regardless of biological age.
I hold the same attitude that Dumboldor did about baby-Voldimort in purgatory crying out for sympathy on the cold floor...
"It cannot be helped. Leave it be."
If you want to know God, find out for yourself or not at all. But if not at all, you may assume you know something, but in fact you know nothing if not any researched material. All you can know then, is your own opinion...based upon ignorance OR the ignorance of others.
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Name: Anonymous 2010-06-11 11:09

>>1
Barring the inane ramblings of >>2's comments as he tries to make a point, a more appropriate answer is that nothing that science could potentially prove to be God will a religion confer the same absolute identity.
Eh, Buddhism might smile and wave.
Beyond that there is also a lack of demarcation.  There is no scientific means of differentiating a "god-like phenomenon" and God (and sentience would make it harder than it would help).  That's the distinction lacked by the mutant-humans in Beneath the Planet of the Apes who worship the atomic device because, in vague terms, "it had the power to create them."

Name: Anonymous 2010-06-11 14:47

I would argue that attempting to scientifically and logically define oneself would equally be just as bias as assuming one could or even would find God scientifically.

Name: Anonymous 2010-06-11 19:39

God might be considered to be the antithesis of self.
All-powerful = God
Meak = Human

Invulnerable = God
Vulnerable = Human

Sees-all = God
Limited POV = Human

Immortal = God
Mortal = Human

Also,
God might be future-self.
for present-self to serve future-self is not self-serving because you are not your future and your future is not you because it has yet to come to pass. Present-You is divided from future-you by time and location. Now, if you learn from your mistakes, which are a recollection of your past, what you currently know to be true, that is a reconstitution of what is known and a recurrence of the past as a choice which is future to be realized in the present moment reaction.

So, I ask you, from your own point of view, are you sane or are you insane? Could you make an objective conclusion without it seeming insane to you?

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Name: Anonymous 2010-06-11 21:45

what if they found a dozen of them

Name: Anonymous 2010-06-11 22:29

>>6
If there's more than one, we start taking names and figure out what pantheon we're dealing with.

Name: Anonymous 2010-06-11 23:37

whether you label your knowledge as sanity or insanity, it would take the opposite in order to learn.
No matter how you cut it, you have to do what you don't want to in order to get what you do want.

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Name: Anonymous 2010-06-13 2:37

And, as a revelation I had this morning. Those things I said about God, that God is the antithesis of human by virtue and that God is also the future self we should serve...that's actually the self-created way of placing God in my life proactively in order for me to find out more about God...cause in reality...I just don't know...criticize the ignorant all you want, but as my namesake inquires, "Who is like God?"

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Name: Anonymous 2010-06-13 4:02

Also,
If you use the "antithesis of mankind is God" axiom, you can also practice this with altered perspectives like the following logical axiom solution;

If Man-kind's faith in God can waver, then God's faith in Man-kind would never waver. That's why I believe in God.

To have faith. Because to view the perspective of one who has can lose faith means the possibility for me to lose faith where viewing the perspective of God who has absolute faith I can never lose faith, is also to have faith by perceived perspective and empathy of antithesis of Man-kind's fundamental flaw to quit at life, to quit at living (to choose to not be).

Well, that's my very basic idea of things...thus far.

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Name: Anonymous 2010-06-13 4:03

>God who has absolute faith
God is an atheist last time i checked, he doesn't believe in any religion.

Name: Anonymous 2010-06-13 15:26

>>11
Then God's absolute atheistic faith would be the belief of not believing in any religion. There is no life without belief, believing or not...it is a belief just as choosing to choose or not to choose is still a choice. Denial=belief; acceptance=belief; questioning=belief; and the transition between them is a change in belief.

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Name: Anonymous 2010-06-13 15:58

Wow.  I have this guy filtered and the BS in this thread vanishes.

>>11
Some might argue God doesn't require belief in regards to this plane of existence at all; He doesn't need to believe, He just knows and acts.  Such an imperative existence is an interesting thing to consider, regardless of the theology to which you apply.  There are few stories where God is said to experiment in any way anyway.

Name: Anonymous 2010-06-14 4:14

>>13
"He doesn't need to believe...He just knows and acts."

...-_-... do you even KNOW what belief IS???
Belief is what you or He hold to be true whether it is based upon what you or He knows (maxim-based-belief) or what you don't know (axiom-based-belief). It doesn't matter what you belief...because regardless...you are believing in it when you hold it to be true. Doesn't even have to be religious or spiritual. If you believe that George W. Bush was the worst president ever and hold it to be true...then George W. Bush was the worst president ever. The belief is local...not absolute. That's the misnomer that escapes most atheists. You go from perspectives straight to Law of Consistency by "taking one situation to mean as with all things; always and forever." Then you pit it against what you hold to be true...naturally, that comparison brings you dissonance cause not everything from outside of yourself (what you know) is going to be familiar, safe, and comfortable. It doesn't even matter if you think you aren't doing something belief isn't what you think it is, belief is just what is held as truth...most human activity happens without you even recognizing its existence. The entire premise that nothing happens without your personal belief in it would mean that no one was born without your prior belief approving it. Blatherskite!

Then you say, "Well, I only believe what I see." I would say, "Alright, let's analyze that logically."

1) Perceivable environment is forever changing.
2) Seeing is believing.
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3) Beliefs forcibly changed as perceived environments change. [blitzed reflex-reaction/unprepared/perplexed by disbelief and denial, change is forced]

Then I would counter with faith-based belief logic.
1) Perceivable environment is forever changing.
2) Believing is seeing.
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3) Believing is seeing by anticipating the change in environment by knowing it happens as it happens by estimating and preparing beforehand what will happen by what has happened. [accountability; anticipation; expectation; personal responsibility; change is chosen]

The whole point to faith and belief is to forgo shame, guilt, ignorance, insecurity, doubt, certainty, fear and pain in order to know to learn.

And..by the way...Atheism would be the religion of choice I would advocate to my customers in order to part them with their burden of pride; their hard-earned cash. So, pardon me if I don't readily take up your religion as my own (again) as what I've personally experienced far outweighs the rantings of one's own hysteria to embrace their ignorance so they don't have to.
And guess what, I'd use that too when I sell it! "Believe in Atheism now! Shed yourself of your burden of ignorance! Set down your sorrow of shame! You too can have your own piece of mind! Safe! Comfortable! Familiar to use! Just $999.99 + s/h."

Name: Anonymous 2010-06-14 4:20

...also, lrn2persuasion.

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Name: Anonymous 2010-06-30 4:25

What do you mean, what if? It's already done.

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Name: Anonymous 2010-07-01 0:14

what if he was really teensy

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-01 8:19

>>17
then that would mean that God is in everything as anything with mass is made of teensy stuff.

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Name: Anonymous 2010-07-14 12:10

>>17
God is in the details.

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Name: Anonymous 2010-07-15 23:55

Is he fighting the demons responsible for magnets?  That would explain how they sometimes pull together, and sometimes pull apart.

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-19 19:38

>>20
Eternal Enmity = Life.

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