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So, string theory...

Name: Anonymous 2009-11-20 10:49

Physics or philosophy?

Name: Anonymous 2009-11-20 10:59

Philosophy, Occam's Razor takes care of the physics part.

Name: Anonymous 2009-11-20 20:14

Physics
Physics is a branch of Science. Science is the practical application of Logic (in the form of the Scientific Method) to expand knowledge. A Logical Argument requires evidence.

String "Theory" does not have any supporting evidence. It is not based on fact nor reality. It is nothing more than conjecture.

As such, String "Theory" does not follow the Scientific Method. It is not a valid Scientific Hypothesis, let alone a Scientific Theory. It is not Science, it is not Physics.

Philosophy
Philosophy is the study of life's problems through Logic and Reason. A Logical Argument requires evidence.

String "Theory" does not have any supporting evidence. It is not based on fact nor reality. It is nothing more than conjecture.

As such, it is not a valid Logical Argument, it is a Logical Fallacy. It is not a topic for reasoned debate or inquiry.



tl;dr:
String "Theory" has no evidence. That makes it fallacious and irrational. It is NEITHER Science nor Philosophy.

Name: Anonymous 2009-11-21 2:32

"String theory is not real science with testable predictions" is a meme amongst pseudo-intellectual non-physicists.

Name: Anonymous 2009-11-21 7:49

Name: Anonymous 2009-11-22 2:35

>>5
AdS/CFT is pure conjecture, retard.

Name: Anonymous 2009-11-22 6:22

>>3
You would have seemed like an English major if you hadn't capitalized random words.

Name: 4tran 2009-11-23 5:04

>>4
Why would "pseudo-intellectual non-physicists" want to attack string theory?  Didn't Brian Greene/Hawking make string theory seem like some magical theory that will explain everything?
I always thought it was the LQG people who were attacking string theory to get more funding for their own research.

Name: Anonymous 2009-11-23 11:41

>>8
Why would "pseudo-intellectual non-physicists" want to attack string theory?
Because they saw someone else do it on the internet and wanted to sound smart, even though they've never read any serious literature beyond the Wikipedia article. What starts as legitimate criticism gets parroted and morphed into a factoid by people with no real understanding of the issues.

Name: Anonymous 2009-11-26 9:48

>>9

Show me how to TEST string theory.

I have the same critisism of Dark Matter and Dark Enregy.  None of this stuff can be tested for.  Dark matter can't be detected, nor can dark energy.  The extra demensions of string theory are supposedly smaller than the planck constant, and thus not even conceivably detectable. 

I won't say I know for sure that none of these things exist, but for the love of god why is is called science when it can't be tested or measured?

Name: Anonymous 2009-11-26 10:58

>>10
You are incorrect, good sir.

Name: Anonymous 2009-11-26 13:56

One thing that seems odd with string theory is the vast number of possible theories, most of which have nothing to do with reality (or am I wrong about this? have only read some popular book about it). It seems to me more like a framework in which a theory could be formulated than a theory of itself.

Name: 4tran 2009-11-26 18:37

>>10
Dark matter/energy were invented to explain anomalies in the movements of distant objects.  I don't like them either, but the only alternative is to dump GR.  If you dump GR, what are you going to replace it with?  Newtonian mechanics fails even harder.

>>12
A framework's about all we can ask for at this point; none of the other frameworks have been known to be correct.  Actually constructing a true theory requires some sort of boundary condition (even in Newtonian mechanics, the gravitational constant G has to be put in by hand, experimentally).

Name: Anonymous 2009-11-27 20:52

Well, the ideal case would be not needing boundary conditions at all, or maybe just needing one or two. I like the idea of a correct theory emerging from, say, some "large" governing principle or symmetry, that would fix all parameters, or maybe only need a few put in.

Name: Anonymous 2009-12-15 4:02

Name: 4tran 2009-12-16 22:50

>>15
As enticing as having a few things determine all reality is, we cannot know if that is the case a priori.

Name: Anonymous 2009-12-17 13:06

It's a thesis.
Anon delivers~

Name: Anonymous 2009-12-17 13:10

Physics or philosophy?

Neither, it's faith.

Name: Anonymous 2009-12-17 15:19

Surely whilst being mainly conjecture, string theory is still a valid hypothesis untill one can prove/disprove a null hypothesis?

Name: Anonymous 2009-12-17 17:10

whilst

I hate wannabe-Brits.

Name: Anonymous 2009-12-20 9:55

>>19
>is still a valid hypothesis untill one can prove/disprove
That's like saying intelligent design is a valid hypothesis.

Name: Anonymous 2009-12-21 2:56

I suspect it is non-falsifiable and thus not a theory but a mere brainfart.

Name: Anonymous 2009-12-21 13:18

>>21

Which it is, simply a more absurd one which can be disproved by a logical mind.

Name: Anonymous 2009-12-21 22:46

>>23
>which can be disproved by a logical mind
That's like claiming you can logically disprove (or prove) the existence of god.  It can't be done.

Name: Anonymous 2009-12-22 17:44

>>24
>which can be disproved by a logical mind
But I can prove you failed at PROPER SHIICHAN QUOTING

Name: Anonymous 2009-12-24 5:43

>>23
>>...disproved by a logical mind..
pshshshshshshshsh....logical mind....here...lol. :3

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