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Geometric Algebra

Name: Anonymous 2008-07-16 21:16

sO I started 2 learn dis shit

Bivectors swing both ways and there is some other gay shit in this shit.  What does you think of Geometric Algebra as a replacement for Linear algebra and all its subspaces gunk

I r learning it to be good game makier

Name: Anonymous 2008-07-16 21:17

*facepalm*

GTFO, troll.

Name: Anonymous 2008-07-16 23:11

NOT TROLL WUT DO U THINK ABOUT GA

Name: Anonymous 2008-07-17 7:58

Don't see how it can be a replacement for Linear algebra.

Name: Anonymous 2008-07-17 17:08

>>4
How come it is like linear algebra but better

It is just more general approach that is easier to understand geometrically

Tell me the meaning of the cross product?  Or the dot product?  These are all specific or convoluted cases of Geometric Algebras simple constructs.

Cross product = Spanning and taking the orthogonal complement easily done in Geometric Algebra

(a^b) contracted from inverse of the superscalar

Dot product is easier in Geometric Algebra and has actual meaning for blades by use of the scalar product.

Name: Anonymous 2008-07-17 17:10

Also try using that cross product in 4d.

Name: Anonymous 2008-07-17 19:06

>>5

You're stupid.

Name: Anonymous 2008-07-17 19:08

>>6
no cross product in 4d
do you mean wedge product?
>>5
you can't just say that something is 'better' than something like linear algebra. linear algebra is fucking huge. scalar and vector products are more the domain of vector calc and analysis than linear algebra. now, inner products are linear algebra.

Also, how would you deal with all that matrix shit(arithmetic, transformations, determinants, diagonalizations, eigengarbage, singular values, etc) geometrically?

Name: Anonymous 2008-07-17 19:13

>>8

do you know what a determinant is?

It is entirely related to transformations, which are a geometric concept.  Do you not understand that geometric Algebra is like a more general case of linear algebra that is more based on conceptual understanding.

Linear algebra is dead Geometric Algebra is alive.

Name: Anonymous 2008-07-17 19:48

[math]
In[1]:= A = RandomInteger[10, {4, 4}]
B = RandomInteger[10, {4, 4}]

Out[1]= {{2, 8, 7, 5}, {2, 5, 3, 2}, {9, 2, 8, 8}, {9, 2, 8, 7}}

Out[2]= {{7, 7, 2, 9}, {3, 2, 6, 5}, {9, 1, 5, 8}, {9, 6, 10, 0}}

In[3]:= Det[A]
Det[B]

Out[3]= 131

Out[4]= -3353

In[5]:= Eigenvalues[A]
Eigenvalues[B]
Eigenvectors[A]
Eigenvectors[B]
CharacteristicPolynomial[A, x]
CharacteristicPolynomial[B, x]

Out[5]= {Root[131 + 229 #1 - 27 #1^2 - 22 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 4],
 Root[131 + 229 #1 - 27 #1^2 - 22 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 1],
 Root[131 + 229 #1 - 27 #1^2 - 22 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 3],
 Root[131 + 229 #1 - 27 #1^2 - 22 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 2]}

Out[6]= {Root[-3353 - 393 #1 - 177 #1^2 - 14 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 2],
 Root[-3353 - 393 #1 - 177 #1^2 - 14 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 1],
 Root[-3353 - 393 #1 - 177 #1^2 - 14 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 4],
 Root[-3353 - 393 #1 - 177 #1^2 - 14 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 3]}

Out[7]= {{-4748/45457 + (
   343 Root[131 + 229 #1 - 27 #1^2 - 22 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 4])/45457 - (
   5829 Root[131 + 229 #1 - 27 #1^2 - 22 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 4]^2)/
   45457 + (259 Root[131 + 229 #1 - 27 #1^2 - 22 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 4]^3)/
   45457, -3419/90914 - (
   16291 Root[131 + 229 #1 - 27 #1^2 - 22 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 4])/45457 - (
   8611 Root[131 + 229 #1 - 27 #1^2 - 22 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 4]^2)/
   90914 + (445 Root[131 + 229 #1 - 27 #1^2 - 22 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 4]^3)/
   90914, -98/131 +
   27/131 Root[131 + 229 #1 - 27 #1^2 - 22 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 4] +
   22/131 Root[131 + 229 #1 - 27 #1^2 - 22 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 4]^2 -
   1/131 Root[131 + 229 #1 - 27 #1^2 - 22 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 4]^3,
  1}, {-4748/45457 + (
   343 Root[131 + 229 #1 - 27 #1^2 - 22 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 1])/45457 - (
   5829 Root[131 + 229 #1 - 27 #1^2 - 22 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 1]^2)/
   45457 + (259 Root[131 + 229 #1 - 27 #1^2 - 22 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 1]^3)/
   45457, -3419/90914 - (
   16291 Root[131 + 229 #1 - 27 #1^2 - 22 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 1])/45457 - (
   8611 Root[131 + 229 #1 - 27 #1^2 - 22 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 1]^2)/
   90914 + (445 Root[131 + 229 #1 - 27 #1^2 - 22 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 1]^3)/
   90914, -98/131 +
   27/131 Root[131 + 229 #1 - 27 #1^2 - 22 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 1] +
   22/131 Root[131 + 229 #1 - 27 #1^2 - 22 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 1]^2 -
   1/131 Root[131 + 229 #1 - 27 #1^2 - 22 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 1]^3,
  1}, {-4748/45457 + (
   343 Root[131 + 229 #1 - 27 #1^2 - 22 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 3])/45457 - (
   5829 Root[131 + 229 #1 - 27 #1^2 - 22 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 3]^2)/
   45457 + (259 Root[131 + 229 #1 - 27 #1^2 - 22 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 3]^3)/
   45457, -3419/90914 - (
   16291 Root[131 + 229 #1 - 27 #1^2 - 22 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 3])/45457 - (
   8611 Root[131 + 229 #1 - 27 #1^2 - 22 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 3]^2)/
   90914 + (445 Root[131 + 229 #1 - 27 #1^2 - 22 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 3]^3)/
   90914, -98/131 +
   27/131 Root[131 + 229 #1 - 27 #1^2 - 22 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 3] +
   22/131 Root[131 + 229 #1 - 27 #1^2 - 22 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 3]^2 -
   1/131 Root[131 + 229 #1 - 27 #1^2 - 22 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 3]^3,
  1}, {-4748/45457 + (
   343 Root[131 + 229 #1 - 27 #1^2 - 22 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 2])/45457 - (
   5829 Root[131 + 229 #1 - 27 #1^2 - 22 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 2]^2)/
   45457 + (259 Root[131 + 229 #1 - 27 #1^2 - 22 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 2]^3)/
   45457, -3419/90914 - (
   16291 Root[131 + 229 #1 - 27 #1^2 - 22 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 2])/45457 - (
   8611 Root[131 + 229 #1 - 27 #1^2 - 22 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 2]^2)/
   90914 + (445 Root[131 + 229 #1 - 27 #1^2 - 22 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 2]^3)/
   90914, -98/131 +
   27/131 Root[131 + 229 #1 - 27 #1^2 - 22 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 2] +
   22/131 Root[131 + 229 #1 - 27 #1^2 - 22 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 2]^2 -
   1/131 Root[131 + 229 #1 - 27 #1^2 - 22 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 2]^3, 1}}

Out[8]= {{-302701/120387 + (
   3401 Root[-3353 - 393 #1 - 177 #1^2 - 14 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 2])/
   120387 + (
   3239 Root[-3353 - 393 #1 - 177 #1^2 - 14 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 2]^2)/
   120387 - (
   113 Root[-3353 - 393 #1 - 177 #1^2 - 14 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 2]^3)/
   120387, 6418/40129 - (
   22349 Root[-3353 - 393 #1 - 177 #1^2 - 14 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 2])/
   40129 - (
   1922 Root[-3353 - 393 #1 - 177 #1^2 - 14 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 2]^2)/
   40129 + (
   129 Root[-3353 - 393 #1 - 177 #1^2 - 14 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 2]^3)/40129,
   173919/80258 + (
   16402 Root[-3353 - 393 #1 - 177 #1^2 - 14 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 2])/
   40129 + (
   363 Root[-3353 - 393 #1 - 177 #1^2 - 14 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 2]^2)/
   80258 - (
   87 Root[-3353 - 393 #1 - 177 #1^2 - 14 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 2]^3)/80258,
  1}, {-302701/120387 + (
   3401 Root[-3353 - 393 #1 - 177 #1^2 - 14 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 1])/
   120387 + (
   3239 Root[-3353 - 393 #1 - 177 #1^2 - 14 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 1]^2)/
   120387 - (
   113 Root[-3353 - 393 #1 - 177 #1^2 - 14 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 1]^3)/
   120387, 6418/40129 - (
   22349 Root[-3353 - 393 #1 - 177 #1^2 - 14 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 1])/
   40129 - (
   1922 Root[-3353 - 393 #1 - 177 #1^2 - 14 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 1]^2)/
   40129 + (
   129 Root[-3353 - 393 #1 - 177 #1^2 - 14 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 1]^3)/40129,
   173919/80258 + (
   16402 Root[-3353 - 393 #1 - 177 #1^2 - 14 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 1])/
   40129 + (
   363 Root[-3353 - 393 #1 - 177 #1^2 - 14 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 1]^2)/
   80258 - (
   87 Root[-3353 - 393 #1 - 177 #1^2 - 14 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 1]^3)/80258,
  1}, {-302701/120387 + (
   3401 Root[-3353 - 393 #1 - 177 #1^2 - 14 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 4])/
   120387 + (
   3239 Root[-3353 - 393 #1 - 177 #1^2 - 14 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 4]^2)/
   120387 - (
   113 Root[-3353 - 393 #1 - 177 #1^2 - 14 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 4]^3)/
   120387, 6418/40129 - (
   22349 Root[-3353 - 393 #1 - 177 #1^2 - 14 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 4])/
   40129 - (
   1922 Root[-3353 - 393 #1 - 177 #1^2 - 14 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 4]^2)/
   40129 + (
   129 Root[-3353 - 393 #1 - 177 #1^2 - 14 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 4]^3)/40129,
   173919/80258 + (
   16402 Root[-3353 - 393 #1 - 177 #1^2 - 14 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 4])/
   40129 + (
   363 Root[-3353 - 393 #1 - 177 #1^2 - 14 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 4]^2)/
   80258 - (
   87 Root[-3353 - 393 #1 - 177 #1^2 - 14 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 4]^3)/80258,
  1}, {-302701/120387 + (
   3401 Root[-3353 - 393 #1 - 177 #1^2 - 14 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 3])/
   120387 + (
   3239 Root[-3353 - 393 #1 - 177 #1^2 - 14 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 3]^2)/
   120387 - (
   113 Root[-3353 - 393 #1 - 177 #1^2 - 14 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 3]^3)/
   120387, 6418/40129 - (
   22349 Root[-3353 - 393 #1 - 177 #1^2 - 14 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 3])/
   40129 - (
   1922 Root[-3353 - 393 #1 - 177 #1^2 - 14 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 3]^2)/
   40129 + (
   129 Root[-3353 - 393 #1 - 177 #1^2 - 14 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 3]^3)/40129,
   173919/80258 + (
   16402 Root[-3353 - 393 #1 - 177 #1^2 - 14 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 3])/
   40129 + (
   363 Root[-3353 - 393 #1 - 177 #1^2 - 14 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 3]^2)/
   80258 - (
   87 Root[-3353 - 393 #1 - 177 #1^2 - 14 #1^3 + #1^4 &, 3]^3)/80258,
  1}}

Out[9]= 131 + 229 x - 27 x^2 - 22 x^3 + x^4

Out[10]= -3353 - 393 x - 177 x^2 - 14 x^3 + x^4
[/math]

Name: Anonymous 2008-07-17 20:12

>>9
alternating multilinear form and so on...

just actually looked up what geometric algebra actually was, and I can see you don't really know what you're talking about. I was incorrect in my assumption also. a lot of the stuff you're babbling about I saw in differential geometry.

although, from what I saw, geometric algebra is just the study of multilinear algebras with certain(convenient) properties, that allow them to be geometrized easier. It's hardly a more general form of linear algebra. All that 'subspaces gunk' comes in very handy when dealing with more advanced stuff.

(btw I still don't see how you get a matrix to jordan form gemoetrically. maybe I'm just stupid)

Name: Anonymous 2008-07-17 20:13

sry, just realized this was a troll.

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