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Psychology - Science or Religion?

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-01 17:31

Psychology has adopted the scientific mode. However, from a strictly scientific point of view, it has not been able to meet the requirements of true science.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-24 17:42

>>78
How is a dope nod being a virgin?  Dope = heroin, you classless fuck.  Die on your diatribe, and may your relatives disown you.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-24 17:50

>>80

I was pescribed everything from Depakote and Zoloft to 10 GRAMS Thorazine, and what I got was the ability to ignore other people and the world around me without feeling.  That is what the 'scripts gave me.  I prefer being crazy, but at least being able to feel what other people are feeling.  Compassion has served me better than any perscriptions I was given.  My life may be shit, but I prefer being able to empathize with people to not.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-24 18:13

>>80

Oh anon. Where do i say they are judging me?

Get a brain or get better trolling skills
Do you have dementia or were you always this stupid?

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-24 22:51

>>82
What kind of crazy do you have, or rather what did they suspect you have?  You seem out of the ordinary.

>>83
Read the post I replied to, which specifically complained of judgemental psychology, which I dispute, as the subject doesn't appeal as much to moral absolutists.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-25 6:21

>>what did they suspect you have?

That's why psychology is a religion.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-25 6:30

>>84

I say you you should really visit a psychiatry, not kidding.

All your propositions are really weird and incosistent.

Pay a visit and be happy.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-25 6:33

>>84

Or perhaps you have a learning disorder?

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-25 14:50

>>85
Dumbass, then all of medical science is a religion, and the show House is about a priest.
>>86, >>87
NO FUCKIN' SENSE - I diagnose you RETARDED

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-25 16:24

>>88

uhoho.
expressing your raging anger by being offending and using big letters?

hm, you really better be paying a visit for a psychiatrist.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-25 16:44

>>88
Uh oh, I detect a rage disorder in those CAPS.  Someone needs a tranquiliser.  You should check yourself in somewhere where you won't hurt anyone or yourself. 

P.S.  No, you retarded.  See, I can diagnose, too.

Fine, I worship you and your mighty mighty book learning.  I'll respect you as my priest from now on.  Yes father, you're right father, I'll say 3 "hail marys" and eat your holy wafers of calmness. 

I don't respect your "profession" because you get angry like christians do when you question their faith, when you question their practice.  See, if I don't have faith in you, your profession is a religion.  Useless and contemptable.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-25 16:55

If psychology was something that actually worked, it would work for everyone without us needing to have faith in you. 

You are an improvement on most religions, but your practice is still based on faith, and hence, it's a religion.  I'll stop picking on you now.  Go read some Jung and reassure yourself that your faith in your profession is well-placed.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-26 6:41

>>91

Medicine needs your faith and dedication, too. It requires you to actually take those drugs that were prescribed to you. (so many people don't follow medical advices and avoid taking prescribed drugs) It is similar with psychology, some amount of faith is needed to follow prescribed steps.

Also, leave Jung alooon!

Then, there's one who said psychology is judgmental. There's nothing judgmental about it, it is just your perception. Perhaps you view certain observations about you as being insulting. Probably taking them as implications of your bad character or lack of strong will, etc, etc.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-26 17:35

>>92

There's a difference between faith and received opinion.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-26 18:50

>>92

Ahahah, you understand nothing if you can't realize that psychology is not judgemental.
The roots of those theories are strongly based on the philosophical views of that time for example.

What is right, what not, what you should do and what not, that is judgemental!

Your argumentation is just as bad as those psychologists for just shifting the basis of the arguements to my own probable faults..."lack of strong will", "bad character"....of course not judgemental....
So ridiculous.

And also there those medicine has something like adverse effects, ever heard of it?
If faith is playing a role in those medication, you just have proven all fallacies of psychology.
People as guinea-pigs for testing if the medication is effective....believe it or not, faith!

I better stop arguing with persons like you.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-27 0:03

>>90
troll, or moron, either way you make no sense

>>92
you are confusing faith with confidence.  We have statistically derived, quantifiable condidence in scientific statements such as usefulness of medicines, for the idea of absolute truth is not science.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-27 0:08

>>91
what do you mean "worked"?  Are you talking about finding cures for what ails you?  Because that is not the entirety of the very wide field that we call psychology.  You seem to be operating on impressions of what you gather the field is about without having studied it very much.  For one thing, maybe you are meaning to limit your comments to clinical psychology and psychiatry?

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-27 4:19

>>94

I have yet to see the example of supposed faith requirement in psychology and judgmental nature of it.
What do you think is judgmental? Who told you there is anything "right" and "not right"?

As far as I'm concerned, there are things I should not do simply because they are bad for me for very real reasons. There is nothing judgmental about those things or myself.

Give us some examples. It turns out I don't know wtf you're talking about.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-27 4:55

A kid doesn't talk to people, so a psychiatrist says something is wrong with him and that he should talk to people, even if not talking is his personal choice.  The behavior is classified as a disorder so the doctor can prescribe his treatment or medication to "fix" the problem.  Things are no longer justified on an individual basis, they are simply classified into disorders and executed as treatments, a mechanical system that gives "should" as its answer each time, because that is what they believe is best for you. 

The priest listens to your sins against doctrine and to set you on the right path prescribes a Hail Mary each time until you admit your transgressions and profess the righteousness of the authorial system.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-27 4:59


It requiers you to have faith in your psychiatrists knowledge and ability to be effective. Would you go to a psychiatrist you didn't trust?  This is different from medicine.  When you go in for surgery, eveyone knows there's a chance you might die, but you don't have to trust your surgeon for their ability to be effective.

When you see a psychiatrist, you're trusting them to know your mind, which is a -little- more accurate than a priest who knows your soul.  In other words, for a psychiatrist to be effective, you have to have faith in them, and their ability to help you, otherwise you'll ignore them.

You gotta have faith. 

Go see a psychiatrist you don't trust for help, and tell me again about the "faith requirement".  Since they're not human, they'd never be judgmental.  Oh wait...

Go learn something useful.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-27 5:45

>>97
>As far as I'm concerned, there are things I should not do simply because they are bad for me for very real reasons.

>There is nothing judgmental about those things or myself.

Ok, now i know, that you are really stupid and i mean it.
You don't even know what the definition of judgement is or you are
contradicting yourself with intention.

Just stop posting nonsense, kid.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-27 6:10

>>99
A medical doctor, a psychiatrist needs no less and no more of your "trust" then any other doctor.  He can think to himself that you are a giant asshole and still figure out that you have schizophrenia or bipolar depression or what have you, based upon your description of you own symptoms plus his observations.  If anything, he must trust you to give accurate information.

If you imagine that you have to confess about your relationship with your mother, or your masturbation habits, or your life story, you do not.  If you feel a question is off limits, just duck it; you are there as a customer, not as a criminal suspect.  A modern pychiatrist is not a devoted adherent to Freud's psychoanalysis and bunk such as dream interpretation.  That's history now, of some use perhaps in the past, but as we've moved from Dalton's atomic model, science of the brain is not what it was.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-27 8:05

>>101

You obviously don't understant the concept of words like "trust" and "faith"; you take them for granted.  You must come from some whitebread town where nobody ever tries to take advantage of you or screw you over.  Psychologists -are- human beings, and their education and training does not change that. 

Sure, a simple issue can be handled by a pill vendor, but complex issues are not the same as a chemical imbalance.  If you can automatically trust everyone with Phd. at the end of their name, fucking goodie for you. The rest of us have to live in the real world, and sometimes doctors don't pay their bills and try to shortchange you like every other human sometimes does.  You are delusional.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-27 8:07

Go on, make it about money nowe.  I fucking dare you.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-27 14:06

>>102
So plumbing is a religion because I don't trust that fucking plumber will properly fix my fuckin' pipes and not charge me up the ass.

I think you are just trolling at this point.

Name: Sage 2008-06-27 17:58

>>104

I think you are trolling at this point.

I think there is a difference between fixing some pipes or fixing a human!
That is what he meant.

Their judgemental power is still based on their education and their point of view, not to speak about that psychology is incosistent as shit.

Whatever, as long as it is accepted by the society in general and backed up by powerful lobbies, things won't change even there are so many obvious flaws.

I will gtfo of this thread.
This thread again showed me the stupidity of humanity.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-27 22:29

>>104

No, because you don't have to trust your plumber for him to fix a pipe, but if you think your psychologist is a stalker psycho freak, you probably won't talk to him, or give him your name, or credit card #, or details about your life or kids.  You DO have to trust a psychologist to work on your mind, or your mind will defend itself.  Unless you're the kind of person that would trust a confirmed pedophile to babysit your kids because he's a psychologist.  Goddamn, people!  Why is common sense so goddamn rare? There ARE psychologists in jail for committing crimes. 

Remove head from rectum.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-27 22:52

>>104


Oh ho, very clever anonymous.  This is about trust and faith, not ability.  Can your pipes defend themselves from a plumber?  Can your body defend itself from a surgeon? Your mind can defend itself from a psychologist, sometimes without you even noticing. 

Trust. Faith.  If you don't have either one of those, you won't talk to either your psychologist, or your preist, about personal or religious problems.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-27 23:41

A plumber, a priest, and a psychologist are trying to fix a toilet.  The priest prays, the psychologist talks, and the plumber fixes the toilet.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-27 23:46

>>108

Then the priest thanks god, and the psychologist congradulates himself on a job well done and bills the plumber for the consultation.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-28 0:57

>>105, >>106, >>107
you suck at trolling, plus you don't have to reply three fucking times stupid

A plumber, a priest, and a psychologist are trying to treat a paranoid schizophrenic.  The priest performs and exorcism, the psychologist refers the patient to a pschiatrist (psychologists can't prescribe medicine), and the plumber fixes the toilet, because he loves to do that.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-28 1:05

>>110
It's a faith, because it only exists in your mind, faggot.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-28 1:11

>>110

>>105 isn't my post, and the joke has 2 lines, because that's how it's supposed to be told.  Now grow the fuck up. 
Psychology and God want to punch you in the face.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-28 2:36

>>110

Shove your worthless voodoo up your ass.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-28 9:47

>>110

Quite ironic your post, since most probably all the three posts are from three differen persons.

I think you should pay a visit to a doctor for paranoia and schizophrenia.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-28 14:01

>>113
>>114
same homosexual

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-28 14:03

>>112
what are you talking about, 2 lines.  no one complained that it had 2 lines.  and fuck you

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-28 18:48

>>115
anon fails

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-28 18:53

Neither religion or psychology are inherently bad.

Says nothing for the practitioners.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-28 19:02

You are judging something that is judging actions of people.

In the end there is no wrong or right.

Just pretending and hypocracy.

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-28 20:38

>>119
Hippocracy.
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