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Name: Anonymous 2008-04-26 14:52

can we make it

Name: 3 here 2008-04-26 23:34

(oops, #9 was me, but since I never add a trip code, I completely forgot that saying "#3 here" in the name field would make one.)

>6
>you just based all your logic off of a determined fact of what God actually is right? WOW!!! YOU KNOW WHAT GOD IS!!!

Because we don't have a deity to put in a cage and point to, saying "that is a god", the only way to disprove its existence is to find logical fault in it's definition, its defined characteristics or conflicts between its defined characteristics, or to cite examples of of doctrinal conflicts of behavior (which only works if a believer holds the document to be perfectly accurate and true). For example, another common definition of God is "that which is worthy of devout worship".  I will again refer you to "The Impossibility of God", as it has numerous articles detailing why it is impossible for ANYTHING to be worthy of worship, but I'll try to give you an idea of what they talk about:

1) To worship is to make yourself humbled before a being better than yourself.  The degree of humility and suppression of your own will is dependent on the how superior the object of worship is to yourself.
2) The Christian god is described as the perfection of all virtues and power.  It is infinitely powerful and influential (all things exist because of it and can ONLY exist because of it, which is called necessary existence), it is infinitely knowing, it is infinitely just and benevolent and forgiving, etc, etc.
3) It follows, then, that as an infinitely superior being to yourself.  In worshiping it, you regard yourself as nothing compared to it.  You bend perfectly to its will, no exceptions.
4) If such a being were truly the embodiment of all perfection, it would be perfectly benevolent and therefore would not WANT you to worship it and anything that demands or even suggests such worship is truly monstrous and automatically becomes unworthy of worship and rather defiance.  (It is here that some then make somewhat of a leap in logic that obviously cannot be justified, but is worth consideration.) If such a perfect being did exist, it would, by definition of it's characteristics, take a path of either total non-interference or quiet minor and benevolent interference, pulling strings behind the scenes such that we don't annihilate ourselves in WWIII, for instance, though we would never know it was them.  Which of these two paths it would follow would depend on which exact attributes it really possessed (as no being can logically posses all the characteristics attributed to the Christian god, such as the famous example of omnipotence, benevolence and the observed existence of Evil in any form).

So there's one simplified version of why you shouldn't be worshiping God even it he did exist.  But as I said in my previous post and you have just demonstrated, when one destroys the definitions people have of their deity, they fall back on the "my deity cannot be defined" argument or the related "my deity is above logic and reason" argument.  Which is insane and only makes you look retarded.  If you cannot define what you believe in, you believe in nothing.  Period.  If you believe in something that by your own definition cannot be dealt with in the realms of Logic and Reason, then you are no longer using your brain and are admitting to merely going along with whatever your priest tells you because it makes you feel good.  In my opinion, you should be either locked up in an insane asylum or euthanized.

Also, I'd like to add that beyond what I quoted, the rest of your post was ranting and frankly pointless.  As for the post after it (#7), it is simply unintelligible and completely disjointed.  I really have no fucking clue exactly what the hell you're trying to say and suspect you may be on drugs.

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