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Name: Anonymous 2007-11-07 8:18

What do you think?

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-07 8:35

Jung was a retard, and the main reason psychology is worthless today. Anything Jungian has as much credibility and scientific underpinning as astrology and homeopathy.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-07 10:09

Jung = shabbos goy front man for the Jews' pseudo-science.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-07 12:37

At least Freud got some parts right. Jung just seems like he anticipated the New Age movement and decided he should get in at the ground floor.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-07 14:41

Psychology is a wonderful science, held back by the unfortunate public opinion that it is all about blaming mother and interpreting dreams.

No real psychologists take Freud or Jung serious anymore. The future is in cognitive psychology and neuropsychology.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-07 16:00

Psychology is, however, very misunderstood still and quite incomplete.  Neuropsychology (along with physics) is one of my favorite fields of academia, though.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-07 19:23

Well, the problem with psychology is that it challenges a lot of commons beliefs. There's wonderful research that's been done on memory and emotion that people dismiss because they assume psychology is "just common sense", when really, psychology has proven a lot of "common sense" wrong!

And it's no more incomplete than any other science, especially given it's age (only about 100 year olds, as opposed to physics which was being studied all the way back to ancient civilizations). After all, we do not know whether light is particle or a wave, or what causes gravity with anymore or less certainty than we know what causes the mind to work.

Personally, I find the idea of having neuroscience and psychology as distinct fields silly. They are like two sticks leaning together; without one, the other one cannot stand.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-07 20:22

Psychology is still mostly pseudoscience. A lot of legitimate advances have been made, but most practitioners (as opposed to researchers) have yet to catch up. A lot of them still administer MBTI tests, for fuck's sake.

>>7
>especially given it's age (only about 100 year olds

Compared to, say, genetics, which is about as old and considerably more advanced?

>After all, we do not know whether light is particle or a wave

Dear god, you're a fucking retard. Light is composed of particles that act like waves under certain circumstances. There's nothing mysterious about this, and it's understood perfectly well.

>or what causes gravity

We do, at the very least to a first approximation. Matter attracts matter. This is a property of matter.
You can handwave over the existence of gravitons, but that's like saying we can't do basic arithmetic because we don't know if P=NP.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-07 21:58

But to say we understand light or gravity perfectly well would be incorrect. Instead, we have operational definitions for them. This is the same with psychology. Only instead of operational definitions for light or gravity, we have operational definitions for items which hold more emotional weight for people, such as emotion or intelligence, and which are harder for people to accept.

Genetics is a subsection of biology. The study of biology significantly predates the study of psychology. By the same token, I could say that behaviorism really took off in the 60s. Don't mistake the breakthrough with the field.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-07 22:06

My mistake, the 30s.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-07 22:09

Trying to claim our knowledge of psychology is on par with or even remotely comparable to our knowledge in the real sciences is retarded, and even a cursory examination of the facts proves you wrong.
Here's a hint: it all comes down to falsifiability, and psychology doesn't have any of it. Neuroscience does, and so do certain areas of cognitive science, but psychology itself might as well be astrology.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-08 0:05

Psychology is perfectly falsifiable if you actually look beyond Freud, Jung, and Dr. Phil to the work that actual modern psychologists are doing.

There's a book called How to Think Straight About Psychology by a Dr. Keith Stanovich which is an interesting read on the subject.

Anyone who takes the time to actually learn about psychology will see it is as legitimate a science as any other.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-08 12:42

ITT psychfags desperately clinging to the illusion that they can play with the big boys without actually even hinting at evidence.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-08 15:40

Despite the examples I've given and the book I've provided? Oh, sorry, forgot, internet. Evidence means calling people fags, right?

UR ALL FAGS

/evidence

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-09 9:59

Neuropsychology is moronic. It's like trying to figure out what's wrong with computer program by using stethoscope.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-09 11:54

>>14
You have given no examples whatsoever, just mentioned a book you know damn well none of us is going to read and then went NO U. GTFO.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-09 13:44

1. Your brain is nothing but a mass of tissue and chemicals, electrical impulses and action potentials. Every though, emotion, and behavior has, at its root, a biological basis.

2. As with regards to evidence, so lets start off with what a science is, before I attempt to prove psychology as one.

According to Stanovich, there are three features that define science;

1) the use of systematic empiricism,

2) the production of public knowledge;

and 3) the examination of solvable problems.

Modern psychology is scientific in practice in that it applies all three of these; it uses the scientific method to obtain data, which is then used to find 
solutions to problems, which are then published in public psychological journals.

Here's an example of a famous experiment

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

In this experiment, Stanley Milgram set out to discover what humans would do when put in a situation where their own morality conflicted with the will of an authority figure (in this case, administering electrical shocks to a subject who was clearly suffering). One participant, the teacher, asked the other subject, the learner, to answer a series of questions. When the learner got a question wrong, they were given an electric shock, starting relatively low at 45 volts and increasing to a maximum of 450. He discovered that approximately 65% of subjects would administer shocks at the experimenters urging up to the 450 volt level.

Dr. Milgram later modified the variables to see if situational factors affected the results; and indeed, if the "teacher" administering the shocks had more direct contact with the "learner", or if the experimenter had less of a presence (eg telling the teacher to continue via intercom, instead of being physically in the room), then the percentage of subjects who would administer shocks up to 450 volts diminished.

Now, lets compare this to the three criterion mentioned;

1) In this experiment, Dr. Milgram had control over the variables involved. This was not Freudian analysis or introspection where it relied solely on self reporting or the subjects own feedback; the subjects were exposed to a phenomena (in this case, the test and subsequent electric shocks) and their responses were recorded into data, which was then computed into meaningful values. Variables in the experiment were kept constant and controlled, and the experiment has been repeated several times with almost identical results.

2) The results obtained form Milgram's experiment were calculated and presented in a published paper. The experiment has been repeated many times based in this publication, and a meta-analysis of these combined values shows consistent results across the board.

3) The Milgram experiment vastly increased our knowledge of the factors which influence obedience. In this case, Milgram wanted to know how Nazi officials in charge of the mass extermination in concentration camps could have carried out their orders without so little resistance. The experiment was devised in part to answer the question, "Could it be that Eichmann and his million accomplices in the Holocaust were just following orders?"

The teachers were debriefed and sent home. As for the learner, they were never actually shocked! All the learner's responses and cries of pain were pre-recorded into a tape recorder, and played back to ensure that every subject received the exact same mix of right and wrong answers, as well as the same protests. The researchers urgings were also pre-decided, though not pre-recorded, as the researcher was in the room with the subject.

To conclude then, psychology’s methods of research follow the same principles and are therefore just as legitimate as those of any other branch of science.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-09 14:59

And your Stanovich is авторитет? GTFO, лох.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-09 15:18

Closer to it than anything else posted here. Or can no one where refute me with any actual logical argument/provide a different definition?

How about you give some evidence of your own?

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-09 15:49

>>17

Psychology is in the faculty of _______________.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-09 16:10

Social SCIENCES

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-09 16:11

Way to argue on arbitrary elements, btw

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-10 4:50

>>17
You defense is a warped definition of "science" specifically skewed in psychology's favor, and a series of experiments stating the obvious, except with shitty methods? GTFO.

(Also, "criterion" is singular. Plural would be "criteria".)

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-10 15:40

Then present a better one =)

Please, I'm waiting =)

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-10 17:02

WTF is this thread all about?

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-10 19:25

Psychologists trying to legitimize their field.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-10 19:33

ITT egotistical science elitists desperately trying to protect their ivory tower position by calling people fags

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-11 3:41

>>27
It's all a liberal conspiracy, is what it is.

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Name: Anonymous 2007-11-11 15:29

Intellectual discourse on the internet = fail

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-11 16:31

>>30
Underage b&.
GTFO, the grown-ups are talking.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-11 19:55

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Do you want to know why your series of logical proofs are wrong? BECAUSE YOU'RE A FAGGOT, THATS WHY!

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Name: Anonymous 2007-11-12 4:32

>>32
No series of logical proofs to be had in this thread, nigger, least of all from the psychfag.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-12 12:40

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Name: Anonymous 2007-11-12 14:01

>>34
what the hell is the matter with you

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-12 16:19

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Name: Anonymous 2007-11-12 16:19

>>34

Shut up, you ... DOUBLE NIGGER.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-12 16:48

>>36

You're right. You showed us all. You are TEH WINRAR 3.71

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-13 9:29

So what the fuck is a Jungian shadow?

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-13 13:50

>>39
Pseudoscientific gibberish.

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