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Name: Anonymous 2007-09-08 23:37 ID:DQ/MKm+7

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Name: Anonymous 2007-09-12 10:24 ID:ct/YQpDz

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25 here, everything you just said was wrong.

(quote) Wow. First of all, the set-theoretical definition of the natural numbers identifies 0 as { {} }, not {}. 1 is identified with { {}, { {} } }.

Answer: Firstly, 0 is defined as {} not {{}}. The point is that "0" (the cardinal number) is equivalent (ie. has the same "number of elements", intuitively speaking) as a set that we can say has 0 elements. So if what you said was true, the set {x}~{{}} (because the bijection x ~> {} allows this equivalence) so #{x}=0, which is nonsense. Look this up anywhere and it will tell you that 0 is defined as {}.

>(quote) Your definition of exponentiation would give 0^1 = #{all functions from 0 to 1} = 2.

Secondly, it is not _MY_ defintion of exponentiation: it is one the THE standard formal definition of exponentiation for natural numbers (and cardinal numbers in general).

I will clarify it. In this definition x^y = #{all functions from x to y}. Hence 0^1 = #{all functions from {{}} to {}} = #{} = 0 (there are no functions from {{}} to {}). In general, in fact, by this definition 0^y = 0 where y>0. As I showed before, when y=0, 0^y=1.

You swapped the variables (which is my fault for not clarifying the definition), so what you should have got is 1^0 = #{all functions from {} to {{}}.} = #{ the only one is the empty function, the function with domain and range = {}.} = 1.

You didn't get this answer because you had 0={{}} and 1={{}, {{}}.} but 1={{}} and 2={{}, {{}}.}. So what you actually were trying to work out is 2^1=2, which is right!!!

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