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math is not science

Name: Anonymous 2007-08-28 13:55 ID:7v2wH7yu

it's just logic

Name: CremaRoja 2007-08-28 15:38 ID:tcT25w6p

asi es!

Name: Anonymous 2007-08-28 15:57 ID:YmxfX+XZ

Of course, math is NOT science. Actually it belongs to the fields of humanities.

Math is only "a tool" anyway for the scientists, engineers, computing specialists etc. etc.

Name: Anonymous 2007-08-28 17:32 ID:IkZNoIDk

>>3

You're a tool :(

Name: Anonymous 2007-08-28 17:36 ID:Heaven

Math is the modeling language. Science is the search for models that fit reality.

Name: Anonymous 2007-08-28 18:23 ID:0m+mUyHE

science and math are both logic.

Name: sage 2007-08-28 19:14 ID:aSYvgw5H

It's science if you're a Platonist.

Name: Anonymous 2007-08-28 20:48 ID:1PD5LLvG

i'd agree, except that math is increasingly expanding into computational fields, where guess and check work (science) is more important

but then again, that's fake math, real math is proofs, and proofs are logic.

Name: Anonymous 2007-08-28 22:03 ID:Y2ND24Le

Math can be used as a philosophy for life

Name: Anonymous 2007-08-28 22:47 ID:1PD5LLvG

>>9
how, exactly, would that work

Name: Anonymous 2007-08-29 1:11 ID:Iccc4FKe

>>10 there is plenty of mathematic philosophy. Pythagoras for instance was a very famous mathematician/philosopher/scientist who completely unifies numbers and nature.

Name: Anonymous 2007-08-29 1:56 ID:+vkedDqd

>>8
Math isn't "expanding" into computational fields, it created them.

Name: Anonymous 2007-08-29 2:31 ID:Heaven

>>12
i'm sorry to hear all progress has stopped and the fields are withering away.  douchebag.

Name: Anonymouse 2007-08-29 3:11 ID:EgJ0hrZ3

Biology is science right?

Biology is complex chemistry
Chemistry is complex physics
Physics is complex math
....

Name: Anonymous 2007-08-29 4:52 ID:kU/vpi27

>>14

That's deductive, not objective. Try again!

Name: Anonymous 2007-08-29 5:13 ID:NLTyVxvh

>>14

Please think before when you are writing something.

It hurts my eyes!

Bah!

Complete FaiL!

Name: Anonymous 2007-08-29 5:13 ID:NLTyVxvh

>>14

Please think before when you are writing something.

It hurts my eyes!

Bah!

Complete FaiL!

Name: Anonymous 2007-08-29 10:47 ID:0clMikro

>>2

i fucking lawl'd at latino redcream.

math = deductive
science = inductive

deductive != inductive, math != science

/proof

Name: Anonymous 2007-08-29 10:59 ID:Heaven

>>14
>>Physics is complex math
Dont ever do that, idiot

Name: Anonymous 2007-08-29 11:13 ID:2aFPQ7n6

math is the science of counting things

Name: Anonymous 2007-08-29 11:26 ID:Heaven

>>20
no, thats accounting.

Name: Anonymous 2007-08-29 12:14 ID:0clMikro

>>14

define complex, realise you're talking bullshit, and then shut the fuck up and get off /sci/

Name: Anonymous 2007-08-29 14:44 ID:3hREuvZO

>>11

Except that there's no real evidence of someone called "Pythagoras" existing, just an ancient, outdated group of people called "Pythagoreans" who believed in some fucked up shit.

Name: Anonymous 2007-08-29 15:21 ID:Iccc4FKe

>>23 you don't happen to know, ermm, mathematics, do you?

Name: Anonymous 2007-08-29 15:23 ID:Iccc4FKe

And regardless of his existence the philosophy still stands. There isn't much evidence of socrates' existence either (his story is told by plato, who claims to have been his apprentice), but this doesn't at all effect the existence of "his" philosophy.

Name: Anonymous 2007-08-29 15:24 ID:Iccc4FKe

(same person btw)

Name: Anonymous 2007-08-29 15:46 ID:pf3UsEgC

Actually, I'd say math is the purest science. All the other scientific fields have to rely heavily on models more than certainties/exactness. (That's not a slam against any sciences, it's just reality.)

Name: Anonymous 2007-08-29 20:07 ID:kU/vpi27

>>27

Nah, philosophy is the purest science. Hell, philosophers aren't even SURE if they exist. Isn't that enough for you?

Name: Anonymous 2007-08-29 21:20 ID:3hREuvZO

>>24
I'm not up to scratch on my history, but I've got a feeling that "Pythagoras' Theorem" predates the existence of the Pythagoreans or even the supposed "Pythagoras".

>>25
"his" philosophy, being of sound mathematical nature I presume, what with resurrection and being against democracy and so forth.

>>28
Be that as it may, mathematicians don't even CARE if they exist. Isn't that enough for you?

Name: Anonymous 2007-08-29 21:22 ID:+XI9a4M5

triangles didnt even exist until 20 B.C.

Name: Anonymous 2007-08-29 22:38 ID:+vkedDqd

>>13
Work on your reading comprehension. I didn't say anything like that. >>8 makes about as much sense as saying "physics is expanding into string theory", or "biology is expanding into evolution." It implies that there was some sort of study of computation that didn't involve math, and now math is expanding INTO it. If you meant to say that these subfields of math are themselves expanding, I agree. However, that is not what you said.

Name: Anonymous 2007-08-29 23:23 ID:kU/vpi27

>>29
Be that as it may, mathematicians don't even CARE if they exist. Isn't that enough for you?

Yeah, it is.

Name: 4tran 2007-08-29 23:27 ID:31arHB7g

>>21
No, counting things is combinatorics.  Accounting is intentionally failing to count things or counting non existent things in an effort to increase a company's profit margins.

I'm under the impression that logic is a subset of mathematics, rather than the other way around.

Name: Anonymous 2007-08-30 2:45 ID:waIZo6t8

>>32
Assuming you're >>13, you really need to learn English before you post here. Your responses are nonsensical and seemingly unrelated to anything that has been said. gb2/lang/.

If you're not >>13, then you're just a garden variety idiot.

Name: Anonymous 2007-08-30 5:27 ID:PblJZQxw

OMG, i thought on 4Chan there would be more intelligent nerds, but i failed.

Math is not really science however it is of course cross-linked with every thinkable kind of things even in our daily life!

>>3 is right.

Name: Anonymous 2007-08-30 6:25 ID:iqSjHh7V

>>35

troll award

Name: Anonymous 2007-08-30 6:36 ID:wxVK8nm+

>>36
troll award

Name: Anonymous 2007-08-30 17:15 ID:OmgSSPOu

>>28
>philosophers aren't even SURE if they exist

Yes they are. Much of philosophy treats existence as the only fact that you can stand on to come to any conclusion. While no one might be able to speculate as to anything else about existence, contemplating that we DO exist is possibly the only real fact that we have.

"I think, therefore I am." - Rene Descartes

Name: Anonymous 2007-08-30 17:21 ID:d/lkX0ir

>>38
" treats existence as the only fact that you can stand on to come to any conclusion"

so it's an axiom, and it's an axiom because it can't be verified from something else.

also, descartes's quote is a non-sequitur, and he knew it.

Name: Anonymous 2007-08-30 17:54 ID:OmgSSPOu

Existence is verified by existing. Any phenomenon happening at all verifies existence at least at the simplest and least implicative form. Therefore, calling it non sequitur is bollocks, tbh.

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