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Name: Anonymous 2007-03-13 13:31 ID:oyiE27y6

ITT, techniques that scientists use as barriers to entry to keep the common man from understanding and/or evaluating their claims.

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Name: Anonymous 2007-03-17 19:03 ID:tpXSWMbZ

>>40
But as we've discussed in this thread, a large number of students don't actually come out of a calculus class understanding calculus. Rather, they merely memorize what it is they have to do when they see a problem and then just do that on tests and score decently, without having to learn or grasp any of the fundamental concepts.

Name: 4tran 2007-03-18 0:04 ID:lPohTxxx

>>41,40
The conclusion is therefore, that calculus weeds out people who fails to either a) memorize everything, or b) be capable of abstract reasoning.

Name: Anonymous 2007-03-18 16:04 ID:qvz0VQJy

>>42
You get it.  It weeds out people who shouldn't be holding other people's lives in their hands.  Even if they're only doing it via rote memorization.

Oh, and PROTIP:  rote memorization and parroting back what the professor says will get you by in a bullshit class in a bullshit field like English Lit or sociology or art history or political science or Womyn's Studies (I use the term "bullshit" to describe any field where everything and its opposite are true and there are no objective standards) but you can't solve calc problems without doing some logical manipulation of abstract symbols.  If it's possible to pass a calc course without learning the material, the prof needs to redesign the curriculum.

Name: Anonymous 2007-03-18 18:23 ID:zHAckSl0

>>43

The symbols aren't abstract, the applications are (you abstract the calculus in order to apply it). I've seen many people who can do a calc problem even some word problems, but can't tell you why the derivative or the integrals are found the way they are, or even what they mean (these people generally quit right after calc 2 and go into their respective fields). Rote learning will actually get you through a lot more than one would think. As long as the person has "good study skills" (flash cards, a lot of practice with the same types of problems (so that they memorize the procedure and technique, and not the necessarilly the logic), good notes [or lots of notes], cheat sheet, etc...) they can memorize anything. They only stumble if a question is asked in an unfamiliar way, or if a conceptual question relies on a good understanding of several other concepts, or some similar situation (even then though, they'd all throw a fit about how the teacher didn't tell them they had to know that or something). They probably won't do as well on tests as a student who actually knows the material, but they will ace the homework (where as the student who understands the material will probably put off doing it), overall they'll get a passing grade (which for them is acceptable).

Name: Anonymous 2007-03-18 18:41 ID:ZEL7Ec7y

heres a hint: hardly anyone is in the b camp.

Name: Anonymous 2007-03-18 20:34 ID:zHAckSl0

>>45
What?

Name: Anonymous 2007-03-18 21:06 ID:Heaven

Name: 4tran 2007-03-19 6:25 ID:t1At0bt2

The unfortunate thing is that people slip up before they even hit the really abstract shit like real analysis (metric topology, blah blah).

My study skills are pretty crappy... I just remeber a few important concepts, and pull the math/physics out of my ass/cheatsheet during the exams.

Name: Anonymous 2007-03-19 21:05 ID:uYbdKszH

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