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Ontological Argument for the Existance of God

Name: Anonymous 2006-11-20 4:28

1. God is that than which nothing greater can be conceived.
2. It is greater to be necessary than not.
3. God must be necessary.
4. God exists

Logically speaking, God MUST exist. But what God actually IS, no one really knows. He can be energy, mass, or some sort of spiritual being. All of these three fulfill the description: cannot be created nor destroyed.

Name: Anonymous 2006-11-23 12:33

>>41
the main points here seem to be whether or not there exists non-physical things (in the loosest definition of 'exist' so as not to imply physical).  and whether or not the mind is physical.

i'm not going to argue that the mind can't conceive of things which are not physical, or which do not follow physical laws, but i hope you admit this is not the same as saying non-physical things exist, or that the mind is non-physical.

my argument to your point, "Therefore, philosophical subjects like ethics and metaphysics cannot yield scientific results "
is that this is merely because the process used to come to these conclusions is not scientific.  similarly, if a 'scientific experiment' were constructed and carried out mentally, the results would not be scientific.

scientific discoveries are up for debate.  the method can be debated, and whether or not a correlation actually exists can be debated.  incorrect interpretation of data can lead to errors.  its just that many things in science have been tested and challenged again and again.

i feel like im just jumping around here, so if you have any points you'd like me to specifically address that would be a lot easier.

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