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Ontological Argument for the Existance of God

Name: Anonymous 2006-11-20 4:28

1. God is that than which nothing greater can be conceived.
2. It is greater to be necessary than not.
3. God must be necessary.
4. God exists

Logically speaking, God MUST exist. But what God actually IS, no one really knows. He can be energy, mass, or some sort of spiritual being. All of these three fulfill the description: cannot be created nor destroyed.

Name: Anonymous 2006-11-22 13:02

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You're assuming the Well ordering axiom is true. Furthermore, even if I allow that it is true, your proof is still flawed in that you do not understand what a well ordered set is. The fact that N is well-ordered means that, if we number every object in the universe in some fashion (using positive integers), then there is an object corresponding to the least number. Presumably your argument is that we number objects according to "greatness" with the least number corresponding to the "greatest" object. However you have not defined greatness, nor have you proven that such a numbering exists.

Your argument, in essence, is similar to this:
Take the set {2, 2*3, 2*3*5, 2*3*5*7, 2*3*5*7*11, ...}. This set is countable, so by the well ordering principle there must be an element with the most prime factors.

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