Evolution vs Intelligent Design

In the interests of starting a flamewar, let's have a fun discussion about evolution and intelligent design! :)

"A fair definition, but unrelated to previous definition of god.  Under this definition, there can be no "greater."  Hence, "That which nothing greater can be conceived" is meaningless."

YES! now we are getting somewhere. you asked how can something be great and greater. thats irelivent they are one in the same. if i asked you to identify something thats the most 2'ist thing you can imagin, it would be 2. if reality is "great" then that which nothing greater can be conceived, or the greatist thing you can conceive its just reality itself. nothing is "greater" then reality. nothing exists outside of it: by this definition god is reality


"My adopting an objective reality (or not) should be unrealted to whatever entity maintains my existence"

not so, the life and death choice everyone faces is one and the same with rejecting reality or accepting it. if you are accepting reality by being alive you must accept that some entities will allow you to exist in reality and some will destroy your existance. or in otherwords, some will take the choice away from you by destroying you. if your motive to life is pure you must also accept that which protects your existance is "good", "great" or whatever title you want to use. we did not make a choice about what we will consider "great". such a choice is abserd. what we did was make a choice that reality as a whole is great by not rejecting it

now the tricky part of this is understanding that we are not required, that is, great can exist without us if it need be. BUT that we can ONLY exist with great. we cannot exist in a reality that destorys what we consider great, or, overpowers it. we would simply not be, we would not have the choice. we are simply the validation of a great reality.

in so many words or less: reality decide's its greatness, we have the choice to accept or deny it but if we ever face this choice its validation of greatness itself. when we construct what we consider good or evil, great or not great, does not affect realitys objective greatness. its of no bearing. we are then given a basis for great and not great that exists independent of man. it does not exist because man created the idea, reality is not subjective