Free Will- Moot or Super Moot?

I’m sorry, maybe this is beating the dead horse but I just couldn’t resist (especially after the sentience thread):

Does ‘Free Will’ exist?
Seeing this is Science board, I’m probably preaching to the choir.

Classic Newtonian physics denies any possibility and that everything follows certain, empirical rules. If we know all the rules of physics and every particle current state, then we can predict everything about the universe. This view of determinism is known as Laplace’s Demon.

This goes directly against my intuition, that there is volition-based mental causation. When I raise my arm, it is me deciding to raise my arm and not the result of the Newtonian, biological, and subconscious.

Granted, I would secede that much of life is predetermined. The domain of our choices is limited to biology, nature v nurture, and physics. But this does not connect with the innate idea of choice and that I’m choosing because of the awareness of other possibilities.  Of course, Epiphenomanalists would argue that there is no such thing as mental causation. This is also counter-intuitive to me because my intuitions tell me I’m not some mind stuck in a body I can’t control.

I’m not a fan of time-travel thought experiments, “If time is reversed, could I have made a different choice?” The influence of science leads me to believe NO. Free will could only exists in the present, In real time, at the moment.

The probabilities and randomness in Quantum Mechanics don’t factor in Free Will, I believe. Random does not mean free. Also, Libet’s experimentations on the neurology of Free Will seem moot to me also.

Also, morality seems based on the assumption of free will.
When someone derives some equation that perfectly predicts my behavior, that’s when I’ll be convinced.
And that’s the day I commit Existential suicide.

P.S I believe in Free Will.

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That is the stupidest claim I've heard in awhile. And worst of all, you back up none of your statements with any logic. I'm not saying you're wrong, but either explain yourself or get the fuck out.

Free Will= the ability to choose.

Why Free will involves items in said list:

Current judicial systems run on the assumption that agents in the world make free choices, and those choices are what they are accountable and responsible. Societies that have denied Free Will are victim to the slippery slope. Why do you think 1984 and Brave New World societies are widely considered to be dystopias? Think of the horrors of Hitler's belief in Eugenics. The concepts of good and bad, concepts or morals, will never be divorced from human nature (Nietzsche can eat it for all I care)

Beyond that, think of what determinism actually implies. It means there is only one possible future set to occur and I have no choice on how this unfolds. Under this mindset, the individual can justify any action.

If some AI agent was programmed to kill, I'll sure as hell hold it responsible. Hell, I'd hold the programmer/creator responsible. But that's why this example is moot, because we aren't fucking robots.

"it's an empty concept based on lingual and logical misinterpretations."
This is what kills me the most, and the most unexplained. The phenomena (in a Husserl sense) of me choosing to lift my arm is completely different from someone raising my arm, or force-electrode shocking me brain to raise me arm.

If anything, Evolution has somehow given our species, our set of particles, the ability to choose. Why? I have no fucking clue. Maybe neurology has an answer.

And that’s about everything, except for quantum mechanics because even I don’t see how this one fits in with Free Will. [i.e, random does not mean free, QM does not concern the macroscopic]