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Name: smott !gRe6.sV7.w 2005-06-07 4:57

I don't understand how anyone could arrive at a conclusion that true randomness exists anywhere. Or rather, I do understand it, but I think it is rather stupid. I guess a common misconception is that QM proves determinism is impossible, but that's not true at all. The only thing it proves is that some things are beyond our ability to measure; the underlying mechanism can still be fully pre-determined (in fact, this is the only logically consistent position).

Name: 4tran 2011-03-08 1:38

>>20
I suppose there are more than 1 interpretations to the analysis.  My approach is:

Proof by contradiction
1) assume local determinism
2) arrive at inequality
3) do experiment
4) experiment violates inequality by > 50 std deviations
5) contradiction
6) either locality or determinism (or both) is not true

I recall Einstein wanting both, but my impression was that he valued locality more.  I think both are violated slightly.

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