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Would no religion really benefit anyone?

Name: Anonymous 2005-01-29 10:37

Sure there are religious wackos, terrorists, god driven mass murderers, and delusional religious freaks.  I'm not talking about those.  I'm talking about the everyday citizen of any given country who happens to believe in their god.  They have some faith, some hope that believing in this god will benefit them later, regardless of whether or not this is a valid belief.  Like believing that "if you're good this year, Santa will bring you more presents" or "if you tip the waitress you'll have good karma brought to you" or "if you work really hard for the company, you'll have an excellent retirement package  and won't get laid off."  In other words, hope is the driving factor behind many of our actions.  To eliminate religion would eliminate people's day to day hope. 

Even if their beleifs are "scienticifally incorrect," think of all the people in the US that cling to God to get through their own lives.  Look at black churches that have joyous singing and dancing.  The Bible typically refers to its followers as sheep, and that's what they are.  But isn't it better than being convinced that there is no god?  To actually KNOW or have it forced upon them that no god can possibly exist?  You'd have people with no hope, purpose, or reason to differentiate right from wrong.  Sure, some people can act morally on their own, but others can't.  They need a reason to not steal or kill or cheat on their wives, and with no moral or spiritual "penalty," what do people have to lose?  Do you really want a completely atheist society?  Religion makes an excellent behavior control system, just like government laws, accepted behaviors, popular beliefs and opinions, TV advertisements, and political statements from our current political leader.  The validity of these systems may be wrong in some instances, but at least they offer some kind of order.   

Name: Anonymous 2005-02-02 19:49

>>52
>>It's the same for any functioning system - BECAUSE we live in a universe with existence, it has to be perfect & beautiful and work flawlessly... otherwise, it would have deteriorated by now and we wouldn't be here to discuss it.

all the more reason to suspect it was intelligently designed.. or that perhaps it is intelligence itself

all the knowledge we have amassed has been "learned" by solving various aspects of nature, we are deriving knowledge from the very existence in which we find ourselves. the ultimate knowledge is still located within, it wills us to solve it.. generation after generation.. evolution is but a biological manifestation of the same force

all functioning technological systems we claim mastery of today have been carefully designed, just the system of nature is so immensely complex and elegantly unified in myriad aspects and scales that it simply defies logic to have been accidental

>> god is on his side, whatever.
"god" is a quaint notion, lets just forget that
we are talking about the full spectrum of scientific coincidence not human coincidence of circumstance

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