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Would no religion really benefit anyone?

Name: Anonymous 2005-01-29 10:37

Sure there are religious wackos, terrorists, god driven mass murderers, and delusional religious freaks.  I'm not talking about those.  I'm talking about the everyday citizen of any given country who happens to believe in their god.  They have some faith, some hope that believing in this god will benefit them later, regardless of whether or not this is a valid belief.  Like believing that "if you're good this year, Santa will bring you more presents" or "if you tip the waitress you'll have good karma brought to you" or "if you work really hard for the company, you'll have an excellent retirement package  and won't get laid off."  In other words, hope is the driving factor behind many of our actions.  To eliminate religion would eliminate people's day to day hope. 

Even if their beleifs are "scienticifally incorrect," think of all the people in the US that cling to God to get through their own lives.  Look at black churches that have joyous singing and dancing.  The Bible typically refers to its followers as sheep, and that's what they are.  But isn't it better than being convinced that there is no god?  To actually KNOW or have it forced upon them that no god can possibly exist?  You'd have people with no hope, purpose, or reason to differentiate right from wrong.  Sure, some people can act morally on their own, but others can't.  They need a reason to not steal or kill or cheat on their wives, and with no moral or spiritual "penalty," what do people have to lose?  Do you really want a completely atheist society?  Religion makes an excellent behavior control system, just like government laws, accepted behaviors, popular beliefs and opinions, TV advertisements, and political statements from our current political leader.  The validity of these systems may be wrong in some instances, but at least they offer some kind of order.   

Name: Anonymous 2005-01-30 16:59

back to your steamroller huh,
you really cant think beyond your nose can you

>random conjecture. unknowable.
what is scientific theory i ask you? what is mathematical verification of theory? what is then observable experimentation of theory?

we are past the mathematical verification stage on mtheory, a theory which proves a realm of INVISIBLE PINK UNICORNS.. lets call them gravitons for a second

gravity has been the one hitch in unified theory, we can unify the other 3 forces of nature... because they are essentially the same force

we study the particle only to understand the force

gravity is far too weak to be a permutation of the same force, but what if gravity is only at 'full quantification' if you account for it existing in multiple dimensions of space(11)... and we are therefore only seeing the fractional part visible within the dimension in which we can perform experiment

but alas the mathematics works... and predicts these particles do exist, with a large enough particle collider we may crash a few quarks fast enough to see one release

once we have that, the theory is experimentally verified... it is being worked on as we speak. submitting to the "unknowable" is the one thing humankind has not done...

once there is proof of multiple dimensions evidenced by the existence of a graviton, a whole new plane of science has begun

it is the paradigm shift everyone has been working towards...
of magnitude greater than when einstein shifted it some by proving the 4th dimension of time

we stand on shoulders to build knowledge

if multiple dimensions are proven to exist, reasonable people must then rethink their conceptions of "absolute truth" in the handful of dimensions currently perceptible to us

the conclusions you draw from the new paradigm are purely your own

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