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Would no religion really benefit anyone?

Name: Anonymous 2005-01-29 10:37

Sure there are religious wackos, terrorists, god driven mass murderers, and delusional religious freaks.  I'm not talking about those.  I'm talking about the everyday citizen of any given country who happens to believe in their god.  They have some faith, some hope that believing in this god will benefit them later, regardless of whether or not this is a valid belief.  Like believing that "if you're good this year, Santa will bring you more presents" or "if you tip the waitress you'll have good karma brought to you" or "if you work really hard for the company, you'll have an excellent retirement package  and won't get laid off."  In other words, hope is the driving factor behind many of our actions.  To eliminate religion would eliminate people's day to day hope. 

Even if their beleifs are "scienticifally incorrect," think of all the people in the US that cling to God to get through their own lives.  Look at black churches that have joyous singing and dancing.  The Bible typically refers to its followers as sheep, and that's what they are.  But isn't it better than being convinced that there is no god?  To actually KNOW or have it forced upon them that no god can possibly exist?  You'd have people with no hope, purpose, or reason to differentiate right from wrong.  Sure, some people can act morally on their own, but others can't.  They need a reason to not steal or kill or cheat on their wives, and with no moral or spiritual "penalty," what do people have to lose?  Do you really want a completely atheist society?  Religion makes an excellent behavior control system, just like government laws, accepted behaviors, popular beliefs and opinions, TV advertisements, and political statements from our current political leader.  The validity of these systems may be wrong in some instances, but at least they offer some kind of order.   

Name: Anonymous 2005-01-30 13:08

the difference between animal consciousness and human consciousness is comprehension of the 4th dimension - time.
animals can be conditioned or trained, see pavolv, but they do not have a forward-thinking consciousness that introspects.

mtheory is mathematically sound, and predicts 10 spatial dimensions plus 1 dimension of time.
once we are able to truly comprehend more than the 3 visual spatial dimensions, we may be on the road to understanding in the least what the hell we are talking about.

a child within their formative years is exponentially more receptive to concepts and understanding, you can teach a 5 year old multiple languages and they absorb it almost immediately.
this critical time in the development of human consciousness is when multi-dimensional thinking should be taught, trying to obtain this ability as an adult is near impossible... it must come as second nature to truly achieve breakthroughs in this field

the only problem is, the multi-dimensional concepts currently being exercised by the greatest minds on earth... need to be condensed and analogized into something a child can comprehend, we need proper methods for this and we are very far off from codifying such methods at the moment. then there is always the ethical question of drilling a child to become a multi-dimensional thinking machine, but we will likely get over that as the millennia go by... in this long process it is more than likely that certain physical changes in the human brain will take place to facilitate this kind of thinking

we already have a candidate theory for explaining the 'big bang'
mtheory states our entire universe is contained within a d-brane and collided with another d-brane creating the 'big bang' the question remains who created the higher level multi-dimensional space in which these d-branes exist, how could it have always existed... the further we go scientifically.. higher or lower in scale.. the same question of origin remains

cern's particle collider in switzerland is currently working to experimentally verify this theory by viewing the escape of a graviton, a particle of gravity, a multi-dimensional particle that can pass through the boundaries of our common 3 dimensions

the question then arises, if there is one multi-dimensional particle, are there others? and how sure are we when we refute the multi-dimensional aspects of "the universe"

for our lifetimes it comes down to extrapolation based on current scientific theory and in the end, intuition

i am fully confident we will scientifically understand all dimensions to the last... eventually. but for today.. living arrogantly as if we can understand and refute everything posed to us is not logically sound.

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