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Creationism Vs Evolution

Name: AahPandasRun 2004-12-30 18:41

ZOMG RANT ALERT

It sickens me how many people in this country don't believe in evolution.  I heard a statistic that it's around half, but I doubt it's that many.  Science is about rational thought and testable ideas and experiments.  Rejecting the scientific theory of the origin of the human race is like not believing in friction, saying something like that it's god's will that things don't move infinitley.  Even though most fundamental scientific principles are proved indirectly at first (like the spherical nature of the earth), when we are able to directly observe it, we are right because it has been tested indirectly so much.  Religious extremists dismiss evidence like fossils as "tricks by god to test our faith" or something like that.  I bet if someone took a born again christian or another religious extremist in a time machine back 65 million years ago, observed dinosaurs, and returned, they would still reject their direct observations as "hethanistic trickery" or something like that.  Courts have ruled in some places that scientific arguments in favor of creationism can be taught in public schools, what will they have to show?  This intelligent design theory they yammer about is nothing more than pseudoscience, and a lazy underestimation of the power and magnitude biodiversity, natural selection, and time can accomplish.

Name: Anonymous 2005-10-24 20:05

Evolution is not a theory, it is a friggin' FACT. Anyone with the least bit of knowledge in the mathematics and mechanisms involved will be able to see this. And if you don't have such knowledge, then you have no business making an opinion about it. But go ahead anyway, you'll at least seem to be intellectual to the other half-wits who don't understand it either. I know I'm being terribly arrogant and pompous, but I'm RIGHT, AMIRITE? RICHARD DAWKINS FTW!11//1!1

Name: Styrofoam !DWDMFPPpRw 2005-10-25 1:06

>>280


Finally someone in this thread with a brain.  There is the FACT of evolution, in that shit evolves and all organisms have common descent, and then there is the Theory of Evolution, which explains how it works, like natural selection, punctuated equilibria, and other such fancy words.

Name: Styrofoam !DWDMFPPpRw 2005-10-25 1:06

>>280


Finally someone in this thread with a brain.  There is the FACT of evolution, in that shit evolves and all organisms have common descent, and then there is the Theory of Evolution, which explains how it works, like natural selection, punctuated equilibria, and other such fancy words.

Name: Anonymous 2005-10-25 12:45

>>282
no the fact of evolution is that there is genetic mutation from parent to child. everything else is theory.

noone has proven that an organism can build up enough mutations to change into a complete different species or that all organisms have a common descent. in fact all organisms don't have common descent because biologists regularly create new organims from protein strands or somthing like that.

Name: Anonymous 2005-10-26 7:21

>>284
Biologists havn't been able to create an actuall organism yet. They've been able to create things akin to viruses I believe, but those do not count as organisms. I read on /. that one group said they were getting close.

Name: Anonymous 2005-10-26 9:36

>>285
Still it is very likely that all organisms did not evolve from one single cell organism but many single celled organisms.

Name: Anonymous 2005-10-28 20:52 (sage)

that there is a lovely point.
not gonna say anything for or against it.  just the fact that it is a truly lovely point, one often overlooked.  again, because many forgo their own questions for the rote answers of academia.

Name: Anonymous 2005-10-30 7:36

>>287
Well said old chap. The viral infestation manifesting itself in the minds of the plebian masses, the rote answers of academia, needs an antibody and that is you Anonymous, rewarding those who fight this plague with a firm and steady hand.

Name: Anonymous 2005-10-31 19:59 (sage)

>>288
Aye.

Name: Anonymous 2005-11-04 8:04

Big  Bang  of  Time

Zhang  Touhong

 

   The principle of constancy of light velocity  was founded,but people can��t easily identify with it by instinct now.Since the Big Bang theory was discovered,the scientific world only pay almost all attention on studing the Big Bang of ��space��,while,the question of time,is still kept being studied in classical phyisic scopes.It is necessary to conclude such a models of Big Bang:Bisides the Big Bang of space,there is going with a��Big Bang of time��.Space and time just like the two parts of germ plasm in a fertilized ovum,whose ratio is constant equel to the velocity of light,thus passed through enough gestation,until the birth of universe.Which character of universe��s fetus period is the essential origin reason of why the light velocity is invariable.

   Big Bang of time was impossible happen in chaos or out-of-order, might as well to find a certain model here,so that the space-time would be endowed with some structure,and which structure once partly catabolized to substance��s structure,the substantial mass and force were catalyzed.So the model must resemble the atom��s structure,also like the wave expand from the epicenter.

    Imagine the time before Big Bang like a neutron model atom which had and only had a ��interior nucleus�� electron orbit.What is called Big Bang is that,the neutron model atom decayed,extranuclear electron orbit came into being,electron radiated and transited into orbit, untill became a jarless atom.

Earlier stage of the Big Bang is called Planck period,just was the neutron model time.It is come from the expressins:tp=(Gh/c5)0.5 ��tp:Planck time;G:constant of universeal gravitation;h:Planck costant;c:velocity of light��.tp=1.35121244479��10-43second.In a common nucleus,the number of the neutron��s is a little bigger than proton��s,It means only small half part of the nucleus appeared to participate in the Big Bang.Might as well suppose t1=0.59112749749��10-43 seconds to be the time that participated in the Big Bang ,that is because t1 adapt to��tp-t1��:t1=1.28,Which is the ratio between the neatrons�� number and protons�� in a jarless atom.

The Big Bang was begin with that:t1,exsisted in the orbit of the interior nucleus,like a epicenter,spreaded to the outer,and brought out an extranuclear orbit in which had time of t1.Now the orbit��s scale was r1,and r1:t1=c.Let��s imagine the time arranged like the form of a line ,the shells drilled throught by the time was homogeneous,every one unit time occupied a shell.In the second phase,the old t1 was pushed to the second shell by the new t1 and was reflected inwards by the second shell's outer boundary.   For the support of the forfront of a shock wave that later expand outwards from the hypocenter,the boundary  that between the first and second shell ,had the function of outwards reflection too, thus formed a potential well with the outer boundary .Time oscillated back and forth in this one unit wide potential well, its quantity became a new number after it finished the path that started from the place of nucleus .In synchronism with an oscillation cycle,shock wave spanned a shell and arrived the second shell's outer boundary,the width of the potential well became nearly to zero.Still with the action of the two opposite direction ,just in there the new time was pressed as something membrane-like whose width was near to zero,suddenly exploded twofoldly.Collating electron shell,it exploded to 22t1(now the orbit radius was 22r1,the ratio was still c.hereinafter alike).In the third phase,the hypocenter of the nucleus triggered the 22t1 path staight cast elasticaly and spirted to the outer boundary of the 22th shell,which boundary always form some potential wells that shall be reduced one by one shell with the boundary between the shells at where the forfront of shock wave later expanded outwards from the hypocenter arrived.Time returned to the outer boundary of the 22th shell after the 3 times osillationand reflections in the 3 potential wells ,pressed by the action face to face,time membrane-like exploded to (22)2t1.And so on,till the sixth phase,the most outer shell��s time exploded to ((((22)2)2)2)2 t1.Because the seventh element cycle is not full or jarless,in the seventh phase no longer beget Big Bang,only brings out 10t1.

In this way the seven phases Big Bang had produced the time of t2��

10+12+22+(22)2+((22)2)2+(((22)2)2)2+((((22)2)2)2)2=4295033110(t1)

About the subatom that compose the atom,it is known that the most basic substantial particle are 6 kinds quark and 6 kinds lepton.Both of them can be separated into 3 generations.That must be the result of time through passed t1 to t6 altogether 6 generations Big Bang,and the universe passed through 6 times phase changes.For the same reason,there is t6=(4295033110)5t1��the t6 is the time of 86400 seconds in a day.

From the epicenters of ��7 days�� , t6 continued to explode to 4295033110 days.Now,we can see the day and the night exactly correspond the two electron in opposite direction in an orbit.which embody the harmonious of the universe.

Now,the "string quartet"of Big Bang was near the epilogue, however, concerning the Big Bang maths model of  10��12��22��24��28��216��232,it resemble the model of reproduction by fission,there must be emanative ��directions��(like the magnetic quantum )of time.Those different directions made up the lines and surfaces of a soccer-like universe that the ancient  philosopher Plato suspected.Researched the universe microwave background radiation,scientist have sustained the conjecture.For 2 point confirm a line,1 time have no direction,at there the number of time��s direction is the exponential of every term.So in every generation of Big Bang there were 2+4+8+16+32=62 directions.The total number of directions in 6 generations was 62��6=372. The Big Bang is isotropy,that means the time in every direction exploded and diffracted to 4295033110 days at last.The phenomenon that the nebula or solar system is a surface form,and the ancient earth magnet passed through several changes,shows that the universe must have had a ��magnetization��.So,those time in different dirctions were magnetized and spliced,formed a total time in the same direction of 4295033110��372 days.(Thought space is 3 dimention,in which,the matter inertial motions only in a line,its undulatory property is secondary.The side direction influence in the process of magnetization,indirectly became the First Cause.).

Turn to the unit of year,Big Bang came into being 4374500868.110 years .Because the universe is finity ,the light runs in the universe will come back to the origin after a long time.Which means that the line is a concept of part,and the circle is a concept of whole.Between them there is a relation with ��,try to let 4374500868.110 years multiplied by ��the output is 13742899790.377 years .With this age,the universe was born.

The earth��s age mensurated is not more than 4.6 billion years and the new data of the age of universe is 13.7 billion years. .Ancient biology was brougt up by the earth��s matter that later commixed and changed by the water.There is some reason that the age of their remains and fossil's in that environment ,is the weighting average of 7 phases of Big Bang about 624928695.44 years ,that is close to the time in the geology when 0.6 billion years ago the phanerozoic eons (cambrian) began .

Cosmic material was thus created:Big Bang of time had produced the space-time cells of possessing H atom��s rudiment structure and rule,that is to say,there was a certain Big Bang genretion whose scale resemble that of H,and the ground level and law of energy level was like H too.So if the outer orbits transited separately to the place within the seventh orbit ,regard a orbit as a electron and reckon it,on the one hand ,it conduce the space-time distorted,the force appear ,on the other hand, what the obtained light energy aggregated towards the nucleus, according as the mass-energy relation of E=mc2 , turned into the mass of quasi H that atom weight 1.280285.Under the premise of keeping the total atom number unchanged,those unstable atom group took place �� decay,so the universe are made up with 71.57%H and 28.43% He.Which accord with the astronomy observation data.

So, may suspect like this:Big Bang of time took place in ��6 days�� of a week,had a rest at the beginning of the mankind civilization.
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Name: zeppy !GuxAK3zcH. 2005-11-04 15:56

tl;dr

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Name: Anonymous 2005-11-04 16:51

>>291
holy shit! what the hell is this?

Name: Anonymous 2005-11-14 18:05

Creationism and evolution are mutually exclusive, faggots. One deals with how life was created, and the other deals with how life adapts. No fucking point comparing those two.

Name: Anonymous 2005-11-15 11:28

>>293
this is true, but creationists actively attack evolution, so when else do we fight back?

Name: Anonymous 2005-11-15 11:46

>>293

It's not mutually exclusive, neither /excludes/ the other.  You might have meant a different phrase.  Either way, I get your point.  All the same: >>294 gets close to making a good point.  There is an active cultural effort to link the two as opposing doctrines, /especially/ as it pertains to the evolution of man.  There is a percieved conflict there, due to an assumption that Adam and Eve had to look like modern man.  Their appearance is undefined, or rather, defined as "in the image" of a being whose appearance is undefined.

Name: Anonymous 2005-11-15 15:32

>>295
Creationists often believe evolution eludes to creation not by god, so that's why this bullshit Creationism vs evo stuff started again.

Name: Anonymous 2005-11-15 15:57

creationists are furries in disguise

Name: Anonymous 2005-11-15 17:32

>>295

You can fairly take it one step further.  The meaning of "in the image" isn't defined.  I happen to think that it means nothing wrt outer appearance, but rather is an allusion to conscious self-awareness.

Name: Elvarien !aWQpoQin2o 2005-11-15 19:23

>>40
wasnt it flat ?

spaghetti noodle monster > god

Name: Elvarien !aWQpoQin2o 2005-11-15 19:23

>>40
wasnt it flat ?

spaghetti noodle monster > god

Name: Anonymous 2005-11-16 2:52

That's Flying Spaghetti Monster! Call It by Its right name before a pirate walks you off the plank!

Name: Anonymous 2005-11-16 11:10

>>294
You have to fight back. But at least fight back intelligently by by forcing the fact that creationism and evolution are not opposing theorys of the same phenomenon. Fighting back in the name of evolution by discrediting creationism only adds fuel to their fire as their irrational fears about the theory of evolution are made rational by the evolutionist community overstepping the bounds of the theory of evolution.

Name: zeppy !GuxAK3zcH. 2005-11-16 17:51

>>302
Unfortunately, we have to explain for evolutionists who are just bandwagoner's (i.e. the  SCINZE RULEZ people, or anti religious rebels). I think >>294 might have been eluding to this, but didn't put in such eloquent terms. I'm glad that some people have brains, because on both sides most have proven themselves as assblowers who don't know what Evolution really is

Name: Anonymous 2005-11-17 16:50

>>303
Amen.

Name: Anonymous 2005-11-20 21:08

Yeah bolth sides are based on guesses whitch are against the scientific meathod. plus dinosaurs prove that genisis was a parable so that the ancient people whould shut up and leave god alone. Anyway they should teach science in schools, the kind with hypothosis that are respected, the testing of said hypotosis, and the maturity of fact.

Name: zeppy !GuxAK3zcH. 2005-11-21 11:32

>>305
lol

Name: Anonymous 2005-11-22 13:55

>>305
Chairman ROFL Mao thought so.

Name: Anonymous 2007-07-08 9:56 ID:tExiQdE1

bump

Name: sage 2007-07-08 12:20 ID:D+g28FM+

>>308
What the fuck?

Name: Anonymous 2007-07-08 14:22 ID:ZaGsXxf0

lol

Name: 4tran 2007-07-10 21:29 ID:Heaven

holy crap 2.5 yr old thread is old

Name: Anonymous 2007-07-19 16:11 ID:IPN2kSGg

>>309
You didn't sage it right fucktard

Name: Anonymous 2007-07-20 3:15 ID:+9Ppb2iU

>>312
amidoinitrite?

Name: Anonymous 2007-07-22 7:28 ID:v89/uZzR

>>313
no

Name: Anonymous 2007-07-22 8:37 ID:Heaven

314.1592653589793232846 GET

Name: Anonymous 2007-07-22 16:36 ID:Heaven

>>315

holy shit, winget.

Name: Reginald C. Titworth 2007-07-25 5:00 ID:Heaven

DSFARGEG

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-17 7:31 ID:/9EhnfMZ

Revive!

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-17 7:33 ID:7Wh7S+QV

>> 318

noo!!! YOU CREATED A TIME PARADOX!!!

Name: Anonymous 2007-09-17 8:18 ID:Heaven

8=D Penisage 8=D

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