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Creationism Vs Evolution

Name: AahPandasRun 2004-12-30 18:41

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It sickens me how many people in this country don't believe in evolution.  I heard a statistic that it's around half, but I doubt it's that many.  Science is about rational thought and testable ideas and experiments.  Rejecting the scientific theory of the origin of the human race is like not believing in friction, saying something like that it's god's will that things don't move infinitley.  Even though most fundamental scientific principles are proved indirectly at first (like the spherical nature of the earth), when we are able to directly observe it, we are right because it has been tested indirectly so much.  Religious extremists dismiss evidence like fossils as "tricks by god to test our faith" or something like that.  I bet if someone took a born again christian or another religious extremist in a time machine back 65 million years ago, observed dinosaurs, and returned, they would still reject their direct observations as "hethanistic trickery" or something like that.  Courts have ruled in some places that scientific arguments in favor of creationism can be taught in public schools, what will they have to show?  This intelligent design theory they yammer about is nothing more than pseudoscience, and a lazy underestimation of the power and magnitude biodiversity, natural selection, and time can accomplish.

Name: Anonymous 2005-01-25 23:59

>>107
I don't know about >>102, but for me it's not that I would make a negative assertion of a "non-physical plane" (whatever that would even mean... way too vague), but just that I would wait to make a positive assertion of one, which you seem to have no problem with.  Based solely on anecdotal evidence and that you like the idea, you're willing to believe it 100%.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like you think conscience is some special thing... perhaps that even only humans have it.  Conscienceness, like god, is unobservable and untestable, and thus a moot point.  It's impossible to even see if any human other than yourself is conscious, or even prove that you yourself are conscious.  For all another observer can tell, no one anywhere is actually conscious.  The only way to "know" someone is conscious is to be conscious yourself and "feel" that you are conscious... hardly scientific.  For all we know, all mammals are conscious, all animals are conscious, all living beings are conscious, all ROCKS are conscious, or even ALL ATOMS are conscious.  There would be no way to tell if we couldn't communicate with them, and even then, it's still impossible.  If consciousness isn't some miracle given by the great boot spirit (GBS) to humans, but instead a common way for animal brains to function, then it loses a lot of the implications that it might otherwise have.

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