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Creationism Vs Evolution

Name: AahPandasRun 2004-12-30 18:41

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It sickens me how many people in this country don't believe in evolution.  I heard a statistic that it's around half, but I doubt it's that many.  Science is about rational thought and testable ideas and experiments.  Rejecting the scientific theory of the origin of the human race is like not believing in friction, saying something like that it's god's will that things don't move infinitley.  Even though most fundamental scientific principles are proved indirectly at first (like the spherical nature of the earth), when we are able to directly observe it, we are right because it has been tested indirectly so much.  Religious extremists dismiss evidence like fossils as "tricks by god to test our faith" or something like that.  I bet if someone took a born again christian or another religious extremist in a time machine back 65 million years ago, observed dinosaurs, and returned, they would still reject their direct observations as "hethanistic trickery" or something like that.  Courts have ruled in some places that scientific arguments in favor of creationism can be taught in public schools, what will they have to show?  This intelligent design theory they yammer about is nothing more than pseudoscience, and a lazy underestimation of the power and magnitude biodiversity, natural selection, and time can accomplish.

Name: Anonymous 2005-01-24 5:52

>If a person's personality is governed by something intangible called a "soul," how is it that damaging a few ounces of meat inside his head changed him so much?

who said anything about personality?
and his personality degraded... as with most brain injuries - this is a surprise to you?

personality is but an outward manifestation of "mind".. via the speech center and motor control sections of your "flesh and blood brain"

if you damage a section of your brain, or lose a leg, or fail a kidney... those respective parts of your body will cease to function in a direct cause-and-effect result

gage, in 1848, had severe frontal lobe damage from what we know(which is incredibly anecdotal) he therefore ceased to be "his old self" due to non-functioning sections of "his old self's" brain

just as with a fake leg, you would limp... its a physical inevitability

if his "mind" can no longer use a once-relied-on section of his brain due to the fact it is no longer there, how can you expect his demeanor in the physical plane to be same as before

likewise releasing chemicals into your blood stream, this blood reaches the brain and alters its operation... on a technical level
think of it as packet loss between neurons due to increased unplanned activities brain-wide, each chemical has its own activity patterns in the brain..

most chemicals suspend "normative operation" of the brain therefore altering your "mind's" perception of reality, since it is viewing reality through the body organ of the brain...
akin to how covering your eyes would drastically cut the input to your brain's visual center and your "mind" would then be missing that particular resource (visual input is measured in bits/sec as are all synapse-neuron transactions in the brain)

"non-physical plane"
think of the brain as an interface for "mind" and the body as an array of peripherals

this interface analogy is related to jung's "collective subconscious" as an extension

if archetypes can be distributed by sheer biomassive conception... then what else can be, and how "completely implausible" is a non-physical dimension.. even if we only exhibit a vague trace of a similarly transcendental "collective subconscious".. keep in mind our brain organs run at fractional capacity

there have been scientific collective conscousness experiments, one currently ongoing at princeton, there have been mountains of anecdotal evidence.. scientific breakthroughs have happened simultaneously around the world among separate teams of intellectually devoted researchers

it is far from completely implausible, how much coincidence will you ignore

the last point is.. your world view on this issue is really about a modus vivendi for your life
will you stand hardnose as a zealot for your only lifetime defending a cold purely accidental universe with no imperceivable aspects... looking only with our 5 senses and based on the limited experimental verification of our _current_ scientific _theory_
or will you try and contribute to the research

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