Install X/Y

Why do you think this is so funny?

Do you think it's funny cause it's a play on an (as apparent to you) nonsensical phrase GNU/Linux?

Do you think it's funny because BSD and Gentoo aren't very popular, and require a lot of effort to maintain, so you think programmers use it cause programmers like things like this?

I am an expert programmer, and a Lisp wizard. I do not particularly care about UNIX politics, and view all current operating systems as retarded. However, I do like the GNU approach to UNIX (although not necessarily the reality) the most out of all the other approaches from a technical stand point.

Maybe you think installing these operating systems is a difficult act that only strange programmers would participate in.

I do not understand why you think ``install BSD/Gentoo'' is so amusing. Why do you place it everywhere?

install BSD/Gentoo

>>2
Explain.

i pull my dik out of ur ass

Install Cygwin/Win32

>>1
This is getting ridiculous. WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU QUOTING? WHY WON'T YOU TELL?

>>6
Ctrl+F

install BSD/Gentoo

>>7`
>2014
>not using a OSX
stay pleb

>>1
PROTIP: I'm the "rename GNU/Linux as BSD/Linux guy".
I'm also not the install BSD/Gentoo guy.
That's just some guy who enjoys spam.

>>1
However, I do like the GNU approach to UNIX (although not necessarily the reality) the most out of all the other approaches from a technical stand point.
I hate to break it to you, but you're a retard, OP.
The GNU approach to UNIX is ``attempt to do everything all at once, then fail on all fronts''.
The traditional UNIX philosophy is ``do one thing really well, then combine with other tools''.
GNU is to the UNIX philosophy as Microsoft is the the UNIX philosophy.

I suspect their creation of monolithic garbage heaps rather than nice modular utilities is to prevent anybody from actually using their applications in other programming projects. That is, using them without modifying the source.
If the only way you can reuse feature <whatever> from emacs in your own project is to actually modify the source, then they prevent you from dodging their shitty viral license by calling a binary.

That's some proprietary tier assholery right up there.
Seriously, it's the kind of thing Apple would do.

>>10
I'm a Lisp programmer, I think the UNIX philosophy is garbage.

Some GNU programmers are or were Lisp programmers. GNU's approach to UNIX could be called a Lipsish approach to UNIX. That being said UNIX is the antithesis to Lisp.

Please see my other posts on this board and the other board for reasons why the UNIX philosophy is retarded, I do not care to repeat them.

>>12
Yeah, sorry, but Lispers don't really have any credibility.
They have the most immature approach to programming of any language fanboys.
The approach of "I'm writing code for myself. My code is for me, it will never be shared. Even if it is shared it will never need to be read of modified by others because I'm perfect and my code is perfect.".

There's a good reason Lispers don't actually get employed as programmers, and it's not the HURRR DURRR CONSPIRACY TO KEEP THE PERFECT MASTER RACE DOWN that Lispers often complain about.

>>12
Please see my other posts on this board and the other board for reasons why the UNIX philosophy is retarded, I do not care to repeat them.
Yeah ok, I'll check all messages signed Anonymous on this board and the other board, I do care to read them.

>>13
None of what you said is true.

>>14
They're not that hard to find e.g. look at (one of) the secret society threads on the front page of lounge on the other board.

>>10
GNU is to the UNIX philosophy as Microsoft is the the UNIX philosophy.
You are correct. OP mentioned, that he is a "Lisp wizard", so he "views all current operating systems as retarded."

Basically, he hopes that GNU would embrace and extinguish Unix/Linux, and the flower of Lisp OS would grow on Unix' decomposing body.

>>16
What a horrific thought.
It's as if he doesn't even write code and wants to punish the people who do
.

>>16
I have no such hopes.

GNU has embraced Scheme more than Lisp anyway, and as an extension language, not a systems language (as was originally promised)

I simply prefer a more useful and understandable UNIX environment to a ``modern'', ``minimalistic'', ``elegant'' and ``simple'' one, given that I use one.

>>15
It's all true though.
Their retarded hermit hipster attitude is the reason Lisp is so rare.
Nobody shares.
Nobody writes standardised libraries.
Nobody writes quality code that's maintainable by others.
It's essentially a write-only language like Perl; except that people who use Perl are really nice and Lispers are hipster dickheads.

>>17
I don't ``write code'', I conjure the spirits of the computer with my spells.

I don't want to punish those of you who write code, rather I want to help you obtain mastery over the essence of the machine.

>>19
Just repeating things doesn't make them true.

>>21
Same goes for you.
If you want to prove me wrong then explain Lisp's lack of quality libraries and opensource projects.

>>22
Lisp has plenty of quality libraries though.

**** Development
+ ASDF
  + Build system.
+ Quicklisp
  + Library package manager.
+ SLIME + Swank + Paredit + Redshank
  + Emacs extensions.
**** General
+ Alexandria
  + Standard library.
+ Anaphora
  + Anaphoric macro library.
+ Cells
  + Data flow extensions.
  + GUI framework (e.g. celtk cells-gtk).
+ CL-PPCRE
  + Regular expressions library.
+ CLIM
  + GUI framework.
  + Mainly commercial.
+ Iterate
  + Alternative to LOOP.
+ optima
  + Pattern matching.
+ SERIES
  + Lazy evaluation.
  + Iteration.
+ SPLIT-SEQUENCE
  + Partitioning sequences.
+ LOCAL-TIME
  + Time and dates.
  + Based on Eric Naggum's History of Time.
+ metabang-bind
  + Combines labels, let, flet, destructuring-bind, with-slots,
    with-accessors, and multiple-value-bind into one form.
  + Extensible.
**** Implementation abstraction
+ Bordeaux threads
  + Standardizes Threads.
+ CFFI
  + Standardizes C interop.
+ CL-FAD
  + Standaridzes files and directories.
+ Closer to MOP
  + Meta object protocol.
+ Trivial backtrace
  + Standardizes backtrace printing.
+ Trivial features.
  + Standardizes =*features*=.
+ Trivial Gray streams
  + Ensures CLOS streams (already defacto in most implmentations).
+ Trivial garbage
  + Standardizes weak pointers and weak hash-tables.
+ USOCKET
  + Standardizes the sockets interface.
**** Systems
+ Babel
  + Character encoding.
+ Chipz
  + Decompression.
+ CHUNGA
  + Chunked streams
+ CL+SSL
  + Interface to OpenSSL.
+ Flexi-streams
  + Stream interface over streams for character encoding.
+ Ironclad
  + Cryptography.
+ Nibbles
  + Reading and writing machine types.
+ Salza2
  + Compression.
**** Graphics
+ CL-JPEG
  + JPEG input and output.
+ CL-OPENGL
  + Bindings for OpenGL.
+ CL-VECTORS
  + 2D primitive drawing library.
+ CLX
  + Bindings to X.
+ PNG-READ
  + PNG input.
+ Skippy
  + GIF input and output.
+ Vecto
  + High level interface to CL-VECTORS.
+ ZPB-TTF
  + Parses ttf files.
+ ZPNG
  + PNG output.
**** Web
+ Hunchentoot
  + Web server.
+ Drakma
  + HTTP client.
+ RFC2338
  + Multi-part form data.
+ Parenscript
  + Javascript transpiler.
+ CL-WHO
  + HTML DSL.
+ Postmodern
  + Postgres interface.

>>23
That's all?
And this language is 50 years old?
Wow, it's even less popular than I thought.

>>22
There's plenty of great open source projects too, Maxima, ACL2, Lisa...

Why do you think there isn't?

>>24
No that is not all, not even close to it...

>>25
Because the Lisp philosophy has always been ``I'm the smartest, therefore reinventing the wheel is a good idea.''.
And ``Sharing? What's sharing. Standards and libraries are for ENTERPRISE programmers.''.

>>24
Keep in mind a lot of great Lisp programs are lost.

Mirai was used to e.g. animate Golem in Lord of the Rings, and develop Mario 64, but due to legal battles over who owned the programs died. The precursor to it (S-graphics) was used in the 80s widely in the television industry.

Genera was an entire operating system.

Entire machines were built especially to run Lisp, from the Fujitsu Facom Alpha to the Symbolics 3600. Apple developed a wide variety of software in Macintosh Common Lisp from Dylan to Sk8 to finders.

Microsoft prototyped Word on the Mac in Common Lisp.

I can go on and on...

>>27
But that's not the Lisp philosophy...

The FSF was for example, started by a Lisp programmer.

>>28
So you actually had a Lisp machine?
You actually had a Lisp OS?
Then why do Lispers keep talking as if these things haven't, and that they're bound to in the near future?

>>27
Lisp has one of the greatest standards in existence: ANSI Common Lisp. It's very stable and well crafted. If you write a conformant program, it is very well likely to run on many Common Lisp implementations. However, Common Lisp implmentations provide various extra tools and extensions, (on top of which small libraries were built). It's not a perfect standard, but it's very good.

So I don't know why you think Lisp people don't like standards...

>>29
Past tense.
Rimmus later realised that it's easier to steal credit for other's work and never wrote a line of code again.

>>30
Yes there were a variety of Lisp machines and Lisp OSes from a number of vendors.

You had super computers like the Connection Machine (as seen in Jurrasic Park, and incorrectly referred to as a Cray), to NuBUS extension boards for Macintosh computers (Texas Instruments Microexplorer, Symbolics Ivory etc.) and many things in between.

>>32
But Lisp programmers share code all the time, for example a Lisp programmer from MSI Japan recently got permission to open source much of the utilities he wrote there, to the benefit of all other Lisp programmers.

Most Common Lisp implementations are open source.

As mentioned there's hundreds of community libraries, and people collaborate on things all the time.

>>9-15,21-27,31-34
Who are you quoting?

>>35
The THE SUSSMAN you annoying person, now stop asking!

>>36
Why didn't you say so earlier! It's always a pleasure to read quotes from the THE SUSSMAN. I now recall that you're the reason why I came here and stayed. Have a good day, Sir.

>>23
I envy you, Lisp wizard. Your world is wonderful, I spent a whole year discovering all this. At the end of the day, I still haven't found a job or a single friend. I'm afraid I have to stick with what the other programmers speak. A Lisp job or a Lisp friend would take at least 10 more years of dedication.

I can't afford it.

>>18
GNU has embraced Scheme more than Lisp anyway, and as an extension language, not a systems language (as was originally promised)
I haven't heard of any system programming geared implementation of Scheme, meaning we have no replacement for C/C++. Most Scheme implementations are simple interpreters or compile to C/C++, or some MSIL or JVM (like Closure).

>>38
Do not envy me. I am also an ENTERPRISE SEPPLES DEVELOPER.