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Common Lisp for Schemers

Name: fag 2013-12-29 0:49

What's the best way for a Schemer to learn Common Lisp? It seems like Scheme itself is a more beautiful language, but the efforts made by many implementations to make Scheme useful "in the real world" lead to a big ball of mud™. Does Common Lisp avoid this problem? Should I keep trying to learn different Scheme implementations instead until I find something I like?

Name: Anonymous 2013-12-29 20:14

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I have a longer reply but, in short:

+ Pointers (as they appear in C i.e. with pointer arithmetic) aren't useless.
+ You do lose something when you lose pointers (especially in C)
+ Understanding programs that use pointers is not a problem and is not macho or special.
+ Understanding, identifying, and decorating "problem spots" with regards to pointers in C is not hard e.g. you should know how to analyze loops, memory bounds etc.
+ The problem isn't that it's hard to do the above, it's that it is annoying to do it all the time and constantly being aware of it: There is no easy way to abstract and automate this in C!
+ More simply, C sucks at metaprogramming.
+ Ironically, pointers are the one thing in C which helps with (runtime) metaprogramming (self modifying programs, run time code generation, intercession etc.), but not by themselves.
+ There are much more pleasant and less round about ways to do metaprogramming (e.g. how Common Lisp and Smalltalk do it).
+ With regards to systems programming and security; both depend more on physical reality rather than language features (C, Common Lisp, Smalltalk implementations etc. all allow you to inline assembly and that's that).

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