It seems like a lot of people on this board hate the web, think it is a pile of shit, etc (or at least they despise many of the technologies which the web runs on).
People say that JavaScript is shit, but I feel like I have a pretty good command of it and don't see what all the fuss is about. Use === and most of your equality concerns are solved. Use jQuery and you can compensate for DOM browser inconsistencies. Use a framework like Backbone and you can keep your program organized.
And then there's a lot of cool things you can do with functions. I mean, there are still some other quirks that you need to live with, like for-in loops and undefined silliness. Am I really bad for liking this language, or does anyone else think that it is "legitimate" or at least a worthwhile language to continue practicing.
And what about server-side technologies? I've been dabbling in PHP (CakePHP), Ruby on Rails and Java Server Pages but it's hard for me to know which is best, if any. I currently appreciate MVC because all my old projects were very questionably-organized and I didn't know the best ways to pass data around, etc. But anyway, are they all just really bad, or is there any language or framework that can make web programming beautiful? (Laugh if you want, I'd like to know if it's possible or not.)
I've wanted to branch out and do some non-web stuff, though I usually get sucked back in because I want to get better at what I'm already *relatively* good at. Although I know web programming isn't very intellectually challenging either, so I know I'm missing out by not doing much else. I've done two courses in Java and have been writing some Ruby and Bash shell scripts to do math and audiobook things, but that's about it.
Is it safe for me to rely on web programming (like getting really good at it? I would consider myself intermediate, though I still haven't done any real jobs yet); or should I also devote my time to other stuff, and if so how much? (My current balance is about 90% web and 10% dicking around with Ruby and Bash.)
I'm still in school but am trying to build a foundation in some areas of computing that will aid me when I start working.
And I might install gentoo this weekend if I have time. Will read SICP over Christmas.
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Anonymous2013-11-05 1:12
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Not claiming that. I was just passively trying to convey that this isn't my first day on here. But it is one of my first times posting, so I'm going to look like an idiot. Fine.
But I'm trying to figure out where to go from here. I had at least a little hope when I first started writing, and still do. Be a little less unforgiving?
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Anonymous2013-11-05 1:29
I'd suggest finding a free web host that does php and just start mucking about =)
there's a free css menu script you can grab from gibson research..
javascript is a bit of fun, see http://www.dynamicdrive.com/dynamicindex13/circletext.htm
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Yesod and Haskell isn't the fastest framework. But it's still faster than Python, Ruby, and PHP. (http://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/) For stuff that _needs_ to be at its highest performance is written in C and linked into Haskell via FFI. Honestly, if it was even slower and I'd still use it. The benefit of Haskell significantly outweighs the negatives in speed.
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Anonymous2013-11-11 13:49
>>41
People here are bitter at languages like JavaScript and C++ because even if you can make useful shit with it, the language at their core are still shit. People here are bitter at languages like php and java because even if there are ways to work around their flaws, the languages at their core are still shit. People here program in languages like ANSI C and Scheme because they are simple languages without collosal flaws and abysmal user bases. They use these languages because building a complex program in these languages demonstrates a proper understanding of computer science instead of languages that throw every shit misimplemented feature it can fit in it.
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I am not a programmer but I come here once a year.
Because this place is insane.
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Anonymous2013-11-15 3:14
try out some python, you can
do some cool stuff!
import mechanize
from bs4 import BeautifulSoup
#get it on nigga
If you can't come up with anything intellectually stimulating with those two, just fucking kill yourself.
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Anonymous2013-11-16 4:03
>>56
no, fuck your Python. gayest language ever. using tabs and spaces for code block delimiters? are you fucking kidding me? utter shit. also, that dongles cunt evangelist was at a python conference. if a stupid useless nigger like that is even getting close to a language i want nothing to do with it