I think what Snowden did is wrong. He betrayed his Nation.
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Anonymous2013-06-30 9:58
>>17
Reported you. Police already has your full profile. So don't do anything stupid.
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Anonymous2013-06-30 10:10
>>31 The value of a citizen's life is inversely proportional with the population of their society.
wow, this actually works! would anyone care to plot human rights abuses versus country population?
>>43,47
The fucking point is that every other company working under contract of USA Corp., which is 70+%, has sold this information at large. The kid has not. It is hypocrisy at its finest.
Now get back to /newpol/, before do report
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502013-06-30 20:46
research In-Q-Tel, and how it funds companies like Palantir.
#1 i don't do stupid things... xD but it's a shame more people can't make that claim..
#2 iirc stupid people actually like terrorism.. it keeps them employed, with a massive budget to perve on everyone on and off the internet alike.. and yes it is perving, i'm pretty sure they have a perversely distorted view of the world, not to mention 100 foul names for pretty much everyone who ever set foot on the internet... but as they say, judge and be judged.. ^^
#3 for a bunch of bible-bashers you should know the story of david vS goliath.. goliath can scream `Terrorists!' all he fucking well likes.. he's still a giant cunt xD
There's another old saying `Seek and you shall find'..
Now, we all know you're looking for terrorists..
And we all know what you like to do with them...
How fucked is that? I thought you were supposed to be making the world less afraid....
But ooh, does it cut them deep, not paying taxes...
For such a peaceful protest, you might be subject to any number of years of fear of being bashed and raped.. and they'll sentence you to it willingly... and that's just the ordinary prison system..
good ol' Institution of Corrective Services..
What a fucking name...
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Anonymous2013-06-30 23:04
>>49 fuck you Nikita, all your threads are shit
That is because I am not leftist and was never joking. I'm nazi and I want Jews dead and I hate traitors and I'm fascist.
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Anonymous2013-06-30 23:07
>>62
I.e. I see nothing wrong with mass surveillance of everyone on everyone, and recording of everything because in the end such technology will turn against the Jews themselves, because Jews are liars and computers preserve history of their lies.
...Take a look at how you betray your own people, before you complain about them being treacherous..
And if that's how you treat your own people, what about everyone else?
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Anonymous2013-07-01 0:21
fascists think their stupid little puny nations are important in the grand scheme of humanity but they are not
death to all nations
death to fascism
one world, one humanity, one leader
your little puny culture of your barbaric homeland means nothing to me
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Anonymous2013-07-01 0:43
nordics have ugly noses
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Anonymous2013-07-01 1:57
>>45
try current Russia, USA, China, India. all extremely large countries where nobody gives a shit about human rights or democracy and where human lives aren't worth shit. look at how high-level corruption abounds.
look at UK and france with their >60M and how they're both slowly turning into police states.
now look at those tiny european/nordic countries like iceland (where they actually made a revolution to overthrow a very corrupt government and everything turned out fine) and all the other snowed-in countries up north, where people have dignity and human lives and rights are valued and the voices of people are heard. paraphrasing (a quotation commonly misattributed to) stalin, a single ignored citizen is a tragedy, a million is a statistic. how long will it take us to understand that democracy does not scale?
>>62-65
Please leave. Don't make a scene, just leave.
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Anonymous2013-07-01 3:20
>>67 all the other snowed-in countries up north, where people have dignity and human lives and rights are valued
You mean like Canada? It's a police state and getting worse.
>>67 turning into police states
Except for the counter-state ghetto enclaves established by immigrants from the south, where police forces are actually systematically pulling out of, so that they can focus on "policing" the indigenous citizen more effectively.
>>67 how long will it take us to understand that democracy does not scale?
I understood this not long ago. It's really obvious in retrospect, I blame the educational system and the media.
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Anonymous2013-07-01 6:59
I also think democracy doesn't scale. I mean c'mon, if you have a country of 100 million citizens or more, then the government is a huge and complex machine with lots of delicate decisions that affect the lives of large groups of those citizens; many of these decisions are not even known to the commoner, let alone understood (because their analysis would require a level of expertise and knowledge in a particular field like industry or education). And how can you expect the common Joe to make any meaningful decision? Choosing sheriff or a mayor for your little town is one thing, but choosing some guy who will be the head of your whole country? Most voters will be just guessers unconscious of what they are voting for or against.
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Anonymous2013-07-01 7:49
What did Snowden accomplish besides compromising the NSA's security? Were the surveillance programs harming anyone (except the potential threats)?
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Anonymous2013-07-01 8:02
>>69 Canada
oh you mean that country that's been constantly sucking USA dick for the past 3 years 120 years?
subjugated countries don't count (otherwise those tiny little african/asian countries that constantly get raped, both literally and figuratively, by powerful foreign interests would be counterexamples). let's fix it: The upper bounds on the values of a citizen's life and rights are inversely proportional with the population of their society.
>>70
listen, i agree with you in the principle. country/nationality/ethnicity divisions are unscientific and ultimately destructive. however, humans are deeply flawed creatures and will abuse any accumulation of power they can get their hands on. also, even supposing everyone is nice and not power-hungry (yeah right), you still have the overwhelming complexity problem as >>73 pointed out.
>>74 Since everyone is a potential threat, they were indeed hurting everyone. Terrific ,)
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Anonymous2013-07-01 9:48
The point is:
The build PRISM and used their power because they can. Even if is against the rights of their own citizen, and even if they take pride of giving the life for defending those rights.
BUT THEY USED IT BECAUSE THEY CAN. Now that they have this power, they will use it for new applications as they see fit, JUST BECAUSE THEY CAN.
Theres a few steps from there to dictatorship.
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Anonymous2013-07-01 9:52
>>73
That's why democracy is a joke. We need machines that gives us choices on macro-decisions, just like Zeitgeist proposes.
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Anonymous2013-07-01 10:19
>>76 Then you read into ``potential threat" the wrong way
>>78
Economies as we know them are far to nuanced for ``scientific methods'' to centrally plan, due in no small part to subjective value. Alternatively, our economy could be ``scientifically organized'' by making farming the only profitable trade, as they receive free energy from the sun and provide a physiological need to the world.