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Views on the raspberry pi

Name: Anonymous 2013-05-28 6:54

What are your guys views, on the raspberry pi? Tons of kids in my school are like "OMG IT'S LIKE A COMPOOTER YOU CAN PROGRAM YOURSELF LOOK I MADE IT SAY HELLO WORLD IN PYTHON" now don't get me wrong, everyone needs to start somewhere, it's just why with this, what's wrong with just installing linux on your laptop, it's just a slow linux computer. As far as I can tell it's only use is teaching intermediate programmers lower level stuff when they start using the GPIO pins and such.

Name: Anonymous 2013-05-31 23:32

>>71
buy an ARM niggerboard, a screen (and LVDS adapter, if required), an AA battery compartment, and a high-efficiency 5V down-converter and then kill yourself you fat lazy fuck

Name: Anonymous 2013-06-01 0:00

>>81
wow what a hacker
wat u gonna do
ddos the whitehouse?

Name: Anonymous 2013-06-01 1:05

>>80
Every modern BIOS does INT10 calls to display POST messages.  If you think a modern graphics card can do anything but VGA output at 25/28 MHz without calling the video BIOS, you're in for a surprise. No PC with a digital display can so much as set the video mode without that "binary blob".

And don't count out ACPI either. You can't even tell whether your beloved 8254/8259 are even set up in the old fashion without checking for the damn ACPI tables. I'd say booting the CPU and initializing system bus controllers is pretty basic PC programming. The eternal desire to preserve DOS compatibility isn't helping things here.

Name: Anonymous 2013-06-01 4:37

low-level computer with gpio and shit
non RTOS linux

These pigs aren't even trying.

Give me xenomai or give me death. But seriously, give me xenomai out of the box - I never played with real-time programming and don't mind to start.

Name: Cudder !MhMRSATORI!fR8duoqGZdD/iE5 2013-06-01 7:42

>>83
Did I say anything about super-VGA functionality (although there's always VESA for that...)?

You can't even tell whether your beloved 8254/8259 are even set up in the old fashion without checking for the damn ACPI tables. [...] The eternal desire to preserve DOS compatibility isn't helping things here.
WTF are you saying? DOS compatibility is precisely one of the reasons why the initial boot environment must be identical to that of a PC AT.

Name: Anonymous 2013-06-01 15:15

>>85
What I'm saying is that DOS compatibility no longer serves any useful purpose. Powering on in AT compatible mode just means that every modern OS has to jump through extra hoops to get the system into a state that's actually useful.

Name: Cudder !MhMRSATORI!fR8duoqGZdD/iE5 2013-06-02 6:36

>>86
BIOS development tools are still almost exclusively DOS-based. There's no need to change what works. Updating the BIOS, various other devices' firmware, and basic hardware testing and recovery are some other uses where DOS is still very much alive.

Powering on in AT compatible mode just means that every modern OS has to jump through extra hoops to get the system into a state that's actually useful.
Those "extra hoops" are, once again, minimal. The PC architecture (and x86) has lasted so long precisely because they've followed this very important principle of backwards compatibility and progressive enhancement. No one wants to buy something that won't work with what they already have, and telling them to just upgrade everything is arrogant and a ridiculous waste of time and other resources. No one wants to relearn everything about the hardware and software, nor rewrite all the documentation. One only has to look at the failure that was Itanium to see this in practice.

Contrast this with the Raspberry Pi: no one except Broadcom really knows how it works, any other SoC is likely to be very different and require completely new software, and I'll be eating my hat if they still make the chip or a compatible version in 10 years. It was designed for planned obsolescence, an evolutionary dead-end.

Name: Anonymous 2013-06-02 6:57

There's no need to change what works.
Local maxima.

Name: Anonymous 2013-06-02 7:07

>>87
What time is there, Cud?

Name: Anonymous 2013-06-02 7:38

>>87
I guess you haven't looked at a new computer in the last ten years or so. BIOS is dead, EFI lives on.

Name: Cudder !MhMRSATORI!fR8duoqGZdD/iE5 2013-06-02 8:03

>>90
Even with EFI the BIOS interfaces are still supported. Besides, there's no shortage of machines out there still using regular BIOS.

I agree with Linus on this: EFI, secure boot, DO NOT WANT!

Name: Cudder !MhMRSATORI!fR8duoqGZdD/iE5 2013-06-02 8:45

http://www.jakobheinemann.de/en/blog.html
http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/22855.html

EFI is downright retarded. It's so complex that manufacturers can't implement it correctly. BIOS isn't trivial either but it's certainly a lot simpler in comparison, and its long evolution means most bugs are either fixed or known already. Funny how the fix for EFI problems is "boot it in BIOS compatibility mode"...

Name: Cudder !MhMRSATORI!fR8duoqGZdD/iE5 2013-06-02 8:54

Last comment about the stupidity that is EFI for today... I promise.

Apparently the "list of operating systems to boot" is stored in NVRAM in EFI. I have no problems with this, except for the fact that the BIOS/EFI setup program is one of these entries, and removing or overwriting this entry means you can no longer enter the setup! That such a critical function can be so easily destroyed/disabled shows that not much thought has been put into the design... or maybe too much thought ("the setup program is all gooey and shiny like an OS so let's make it look like one too...")

Name: Anonymous 2013-06-02 12:51

>>91
DO NOT WANT!
Cudder-sama, why do you love spewing ``old /b/'' ``memes'' so much? You once used LE EPIC FAIL /B/RO XDDDDDD too.

Name: Anonymous 2013-06-02 12:54

-Jewish
 -nonfree
 -enemy of your freedom
Shalom!

Name: Anonymous 2013-06-02 19:03

>>94
Fuck you, it's just a way to vent your anger.

I would love Cudder先生 anus venting as my throbbing hard penis was going inside... > <

Name: Anonymous 2013-06-02 22:41

ONE WORD THE FREE SOFTWARE FOUNDATION http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/single-board-computers THREAD OVER

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