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Firstly I don't think you understand what an atheist is. I am agnostic. I do indeed only visit /sci/ and /prog/.
I have had plenty of debates with atheists on other forums, my philosophy knowledge is vast.
It is not subjective you pleb, rather completely objective as it's directly correlated to the human condition as a whole.
Let's first define the term logic as "valid human reasoning" and illogic the antithesis.
Within the Universe, the components are subject to the mathematical laws of nature. Before the start of Universe, the basic first law of thermodynamics "energy cannot be created or destroyed" is broken down, along with many other human logics being challenged such as why was it created, what was the purpose of its creation, how, when and so forth.
As we are no way near understanding how the entire universe works as of yet, then logically the architect of such a Universe cannot be understood either. Man is just a minuscule integral part of the Universe, and the Universe will always be more complex than it's components. Now, the creator of such a vast and intricate Universe should be even more complex than its creation, following logic.
We simply can not comprehend the nature of such an entity, in any way or form, and we can not know in any way if our concepts of it are even applicable. I always see people giving human concepts to God but that is anthropomorphizing the Universe itself, which is quite a petty and ignorant thing to do. Neither the Universe nor God would have our perspective of things, nor our way of subjective human understanding.
We know the Universe was created by the big bang, but we can never know what occurred before time existed. Any theory can be created to guess, and mathematical proofs can be bent to do things it was not meant to do (I.e. 0.999999..9 = 1, and 0.999999..9 = 0.999999..9, can both be explained using proofs, which to an extent occurs in String theory [but String theory is not the subject of this thread]). Since every law in Science is broken down before the creation of the Universe, the Universe was illogically created. A logical abstract entity cannot create an illogical thing, only an illogical abstract entity could create an illogical universe.
As strange as it may seem, but that is the only rational answer. The direct opposite of logic is illogic, the Universe's creation was completely opposed to logic. Therefore the creation of the Universe is illogical, thus the creator of the illogical Universe must also be illogical, hence the creator is beyond the human mode of logical comprehension.