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Name: Anonymous 2013-02-25 6:06

http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/
>2013
>using harmful software

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-25 7:27

>Plan 9
Wrapping all system calls around network protocol is considered not harmful at all.

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-25 7:40

dey like go cuz rob pike made it

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-25 8:25

plan 9 is just rob pike's "muh cloud" pipedream where tiy doesn't have any local storage, it's all managed by an external entity that you can TOTALLY trust.

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-25 9:39

>>1
LEEEEEEEEEEEEEEL
>LE 2013
>NOT LE USING LE /G/
XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
LEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEL

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-25 13:27

taking software advice from somebody who develops chrome extensions for reddit
HURRR MUH UNIX PHILOSOPHY

Glad that shitty site's down.

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-25 13:40

>>6
Who the fuck are you quoting, fa/g/shit?

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-25 20:26

lel

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-25 21:04

>>6
infantile /g/ shitstain

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-25 22:59

ITT: windorks or mac r us tards

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-26 1:24

>>6
If you're going to play silly quoting games and make posts that are filled with pointless yammering and ad hominem, you ought to jump back into The Herd of Retards on /g/. You don't belong here.

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-26 2:01

>>9,11
Sure showed him guys! That negative attention is definitely going to have him running back to /g/ with no consequences here! He definitely won't do it again to spite you. And it certainly isn't a theme troll like LEL-cunt, so we are in the clear.

Thanks for looking out for /prog/ guys. Go ahead and pat yourselves on the back.

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-26 2:13

>>7,9,11
I'm mad because my buttbuddy hacker hero Uriel develops Chrome extensions for Reddit and Anon called him out on it.
Stay mad, faggots.

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-26 2:15

>>12
it certainly isn't a theme troll like LEL-cunt
I actually am LEL-cunt and again, I don't browse /g/.

Name: sage the mage 2013-02-26 2:18

>>13
Do you have any proof that Uriel develops Chrome extensions for Reddit?

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-26 2:36

>>14
That's why I said `like', ``faggot.

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-26 2:44

>>13
I am so angry and buttfrustrated right now I'm going to penetrate your little white queer goyish anus with my gigantic jewish d-ck.

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-26 3:39

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-26 4:15

>>18
LOLOL IS UR IEL DED?

U MENA HASKAL

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-26 4:29

>>1
Had to agree that autoconf/automake is a nightmare. Stallman invented it to torture goyim.

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-26 4:48

>>18
Every time I read an article about a mathematical concept named after someone I just can't help reading about the author themself as well, and if they're dead I get all sad and depressed about how death indiscriminately took away yet another brilliant mind, and how the work they left behind serves as a reminder of one's mortality; and if they're not dead, they're usually really old and it makes me sad that that soon, they too will be lost to the nothingness and there's nothing anyone can do about it.

And it makes me realize that the same will happen to me, that no matter how many papers I write and how many discoveries I make, I will slowly degrade and eventually cease existing. I look at other people and wonder how they deal with the futility of their own lives, how they deal with their knowingly limited existence. Maybe they simply grew accustomed to the idea, they became desensitized to the plight of being human, of being mortal. Or maybe they simply never thought about it, they never considered past a few months or years in the future. Maybe they believe god will swoop them from the forever hungry claws of oblivion and ensure their continued existence, be it heaven, hell, or anything in between; perhaps this is some sort of denial, perhaps it is one of those delusions one creates and revels in to avoid dealing with the excruciatingly painful truth. I wish I could be so careless, I wish I could believe there is a saviour.

Alas, I am doomed to lead a bounded life, to do a finite number of things, too few things, much fewer than I would have wanted to, and to cease existing before year 2100.

And no I'm not the panic attack guy. He asked me to fill in for him today.

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-26 4:54

>>21
If you care so much about enjoying your limited life, you are in the wrong place.

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-26 4:58

>>22
If you care so much about enjoying your limited dubs, you are in the right place.

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-26 5:04

>>22
I enjoy shitposting here once in a while.

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-26 5:21

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-26 6:01

>>21
What mathematical concept are you talking about here?

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-26 6:07

>>21
>HE ACTUALLY BELIEVES THAT YOU CEASE TO EXIST AFTER YOU DIE
>NOT BEING A NEOPAGAN
>ESR 2013

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-26 6:21

>>26
Concepts invented by jews, naturally. Dumb goyim can't into mathematics, they're just cattle.

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-26 6:54

>>25
"le" that's not proof that Uriel develops Chrome extensions for reddit. >>13 speaks nothing but shit.

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-26 7:14

Are you sure Uriel isn't Jewish? And if he Jewish why do you mourn with kikes?


Besides, http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/ just advances one evil over the other. I.e. JSON over XML. Instead of just using Lisp for everything.

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-26 7:15

>>12
And it certainly isn't a theme troll like LEL-cunt
Yes, because there are no retards on the Internet, and everyone is a troll. Fuck off.

>>13
Uriel was a fucking faggot. Now go back to le /g/, le /g/roski.

>>27
You too.

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-26 7:20

>>13
lel i hate reddit but i fuckin/g/ love E/G/IN MEMES XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD LE STAY MAD /G/ENTOO/G/ROS XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-26 17:30

go back to /r/programming and stay there

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-26 18:04

>>31
LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
>U AR LE RETARDED XDDDDD
>EGIN

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-26 18:13

>>33
Nobody takes cat-v.org seriously there either. Perhaps you meant Hacker News.

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-26 18:14

>>35
Nobody takes cat-v.org seriously there either. Perhaps you meant cat-v.org.

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-26 19:34

I agree with >>2,4 on the security side of things, and hopefully making a flag for disabling and managing might be an awesome addition, kinda like pf, but for system calls too, that way you can have client servers, and masters.


But I really want to crack all the things on that site, and give reasons why or why not. Some of them I disagree, but the rest are ok. You /prog/s are welcome to contribute, and see a reasoning why or why not:

Harmful                < harmful alt                Reason|Objection
SGML,XML,YAML            JSON,CSV,ndb6,UTF8 txt            duh, all markup is already in UTF8
NFS,SMB,AFS,WebDAV        9p                    um, I know NFS & LDAP were bad hacks, but a distrubuted FS, 9p? Why not bigtable for data, and SSH in a jail for flat files?
C++,Java,Vala,D,Python,Ruby    C,Go,Limbo                No explanation needed here(NENH). The point is made obvious if OOP _must_ be used.
pthreads(PoSixthreads)        CSP-style concurrency:[e.g.]        Agreed --examples
Perl,Ruby.            rc, awk                    HAHAHA, I love the joke too. But so true, these are better alt.
PCRE                SRExps | regexps (e.g.)            Fine. As long as there is master standard for regex
Bash, tcsh, zsh            rc, pdksh, ash/dash.            add mksh & awk to the mix. scsh when ready☺
GNU Coreutils            Plan 9 from User Space            well, anything that does the basic *nix. No one wants to reinvent the wheel.
GNU Screen            tmux                    NENH. But Nicholas, why did you made the default bindings so weird? Leave a ^A default too
GNU info            Man pages                < nuff said.
GCC                8c,tcc                    I appluad their effort, but the examples are not complete. LLVM is already ahead, and it is not finished.
glibc                ucLibc,DietLibc                add musl
GNUauto{conf,make*}        mk|portable makefiles            NENH. See Line 2
Glib                libc (↑),p9p Clibs            ↸
GTK,Qt,VxWindows.        Tk,textualinterfaces            GTK+ for the GUI needy. ncurses or termbox for *
Vim,Emacs,etc...        Acme, Sam, ed.                ex-vi. sed | m4 for more wild edits ex cannot do.
UTF-*,other enc            UTF-8                    Obvious, but I never liked UTF-8, I always thought we only needed ASCII, and code page 437 when it came out.
iSCSI,FCoE            AoE                    duh. And SATA3 for more bandwith.
PAM                Factotum                Not my area, but I know PAM is a bad implementation.
Jabber & XMPP            IRC,STOMP                ALL OF MY YES. pf for protection
IMAP                SMAP                    I need to try SMAP. But I know IMAP has too much stupid things.
SQL db                Tutorial D,pq,BigTable,*nix fs        If we are talking about syntax, HELL YEAH. If we are talking about ACIDity, WTF?!? Prominently for ACID any SQL is fine, pgSQL being best, Berkeley_DB 2nd, SQLite being a contenter. I can also tolerate good Structs.
svn                Git,hg,CVS,.tar                Add Fossil to the list, any DB from the top.
FreeBSD,NetBSD,Solaris        OpenBSD                    Um, and no inferno or plan9 advertising? FreeBSD is needed for the Enterprise shings. OpenBSD as a great personal OS, certainly; maybe so server applications. NetBSD for the other devices *nix hasn't ported. This is one of the necessary evils.
Apache,lighttpd            thttpd,OpenBSD apache,nginx,noHTTP    I can only agree more. gopher is mainly what 70% of people need.
SVG                PS(PostScript)                Certianly. And to expand, pic,ideal,grn(old), & grap are better alt.
PDF                PS(PostScript), DjVu            ↖ditto.troff++
EPUB                DjVu                        ↵
ALSA                OSS4                    yep. And Midi for music format.
GPL,LGPL,Apache,MPL,CC        ISC,MIT/X,[Free]BSD,CC0,public domain    certainly, they make the most logical and technical sense. --public domain
head                sed 11q                    nice hack. I use most, and cat. This almost goes with line 17.

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-26 20:41

If OpenBSD is so great, how come it can't do wifi?

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-26 20:55

>>38
Because YHBT

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-27 5:16

I don't have an opinion on the miscellaneous unix apps Uriel listed, but the bias is obvious.

On the programming language section: Did he even try D or did he lump it in with C++ because it uses as many semicolons? Complete lack of Lisp or at least Scheme which is far more simple than anything else in this list. Omits Erlang as a programming language and then lists it last (Go first, of course) in the less harmful threading models to not look like he's hyping Go hard when goroutines is basically the same thing along with the typed Limbo channels. Also on that note, I despise Go and its insistence on wasting my time with unused variable errors. Limbo is just Oberon with more curlies and Go's obvious previous attempt, nobody uses Limbo at all, every implementation of Scheme sees more active use than Limbo. Might as well advocate an obscure Wirth language which is the exact same thing down to the variable declaration syntax, the same Wirth whose language the C guys bashed in a 1981 paper. C++, Java, Python, Ruby are shitty for various reasons though, but I haven't tried Vala so I don't have an opinion on that one (someone here used to mention it occasionally).


Harmful          Less harmful alternatives
SQL databases.   [...], BigTable, plain old hierarchical filesystems.

Good grief.


Harmful         Less harmful alternatives
IMAP.           SMAP(Simple Mail Access Protocol).

Nobody uses SMAP. Considering SMTP already exists for the simple way and the scope that IMAP was trying to accomplish, IMAP is just Lisp over the wire, theres even mention of gensym in the RFC. Or, is it because Crispin made fun of le UNIX philosophy?
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