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Justify killing animals for nutrition when...

1. you don't have to (beans/rice, eggs, dairy, gluten, etc. provide enough protein),
2. you accept Darwinism and the conclusion that humans aren't ``special'' aside from their abilities (and the corollary that ability doesn't determine one's right to live), and
3. you hold empathy as a reasonable virtue

>>40
>>38
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I am so horribly buttfrustrated right now.

>>41
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1. You DO have to to get the amount of nutrition in a timely and resource-effective way as to not leave the population below a reasonable amount.

2. If you believe in Darwinism and you're arguing to not eat the less-fit organisms, you're dumber than I thought.

3. This wasn't even a question. The closest reply I can come up with is "...we owe them some respect. Nature is cruel, but we don't have to be. I would'nt want to have my guts ripped out by a lion, I'd much rather die in a slaughterhouse if it was done right." Slaughterhouses and farms, when built with decent amount of mind for the animals, creates less suffering for the animal than nature does.

>>43
1. I think 7 billion is leagues higher than ``a reasonable amount''. Farming is also not resource-effective. There's a petition out now by CWF or WSPA or someone that's saying intensive farming is a major cause of world hunger. Find it.

2. Oh yeah, the human population surely needs some evolution right now. It's not as if it's augmented beyond natural progression with technology, or anything.

3. You can't call it a ``slaughterhouse'' and say it creates less suffering than nature. The cruel thing about farms that most people overlook is the fact it's farming. Animals are being raised solely to be killed, and nature doesn't do that.
Also,
built with decent amount of mind for the animals
You'll find that's incredibly rare.

>>44
You'll find that's incredibly rare.
You'll find that in progressive societies, livestock welfare is an important part of the food industry. While there are always cases of unacceptable welfare in our progressive societies, you'll find that the norm held to high standards.

There's a petition out now by CWF or WSPA or someone that's saying intensive farming is a major cause of world hunger.
Oh my. Farming causes hunger. THIS IS WHAT HIPPIES ACTUALLY BELIEVE.

I don't eat meat, I'm a vegematarian.

1. Cry more about the fact that we're the fittest animal to be forged via natural selection. How we were made, and how we will be killed off and replaced, is by growing. Let nature run its course.

2. It's impeded by our technology, dipshit. We no longer have to have societies become immune to disease. We rely on medicines to do it for us.

3. >thinks slaughterhouses are sheds equipped with cinderblocks to bash in cow heads

You should jump off a pier.

>>44
You'll find that's incredibly rare
source?
maybe in US/yurop, but in many parts of the world (Africa, Aus/NZ, SE Asia, Sth America) cattle are kept predominantly on grass.
Some are fattened up in feedlots with corn and stuff- but the animal welfare is damn good in a feedlot.

Seeing as we are on /prague/, the worst thing that can happen to a cow incidentally is for Ahmed or Chaim to get their grubby hands on them. Kosher and Halal often do the old slit the throat thing but also kick, stab and otherwise injure the animals.
Most normal slaughterhouses here in Aus + NZ + Indonesia (after we gave them a spanking about being cruel) are pretty professional joints with captive bolt stunning and treat the animals nicely. Less stress means better grade meat as well. It also takes less time and less fuss.
I know that in america, some autistic lady who could practically understand cows helped improve them to be cow friendly. They practically walk to the slaughter after she's helped improve things (lighting, making races narrower, etc etc).

>>49
Kosher and Halal often do the old slit the throat thing but also kick, stab and otherwise injure the animals.
>>21

>>42
CHECK MY MEANING OF LIFE DIGITS xDDDD
Fuck you nigger I smirked.

>>45,49
Well, no. Only recently has there been legislation passed to (for example) improve welfare for pregnant sows and supposedly free-range chickens in the EU, and that's only due to petitions. In America I hear there are "super-dairies" that battery farm cows, milking the shit out of them as much as possible.

>>46
Energy found in animal = energy found in crops eaten by animal - (energy exerted by animal in living + energy used to raise)
Against
Energy from crops = energy from fucking crops
Do the maths.

>>48
1. You can keep believing your double standard where humans are somehow simultaneously both the most advanced species on earth superior to all other life, and still subject to "the course of nature". Humans will kill themselves off by continuing to be massively selfish and complacent. What I'm trying to do is actually prolong this race's existence (which is kind of a primordial urge, you know) by shitting up our only current home as little as possible.

2. How is that impedance? Look at the average lifespan of humans before (and after) the advent of modern medicine. Must be really shit not dying aged 35.

3. le mwf greentext