/prog/ - A book I consider important

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-20 1:29

http://dump.udderweb.com/CODE.pdf

http://www.amazon.com/Code-Language-Computer-Hardware-Software/dp/0735611319

The author, Petzold, has been mentioned on /prog/ before, but AFAIK only in the context of his MS Windows books.

This one is different, because it helped me understand the nature of information, how it is part of reality and was so even before people existed. In that way, it helped me understand what functional programming is. (I'm sure that there is more than one path to that place, but this is the one I took.)

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-20 1:33

>>1
Thanks for the download dude, I've been meaning to buy this...

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-20 1:39

.pdf
STOPPED CARING THERE, FUCKING SHALOM!

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-20 3:31

cudderweb.com

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-20 6:55

Too infringed intellectual property rights, didn't read.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-20 7:15

>>3,5
You should have skipped the moment you saw amazon.com. Shame on you.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-20 7:19

>>5
Publishers and lawyers like to describe copyright as “intellectual property”—a term also applied to patents, trademarks, and other more obscure areas of law. These laws have so little in common, and differ so much, that it is ill-advised to generalize about them. It is best to talk specifically about “copyright,” or about “patents,” or about “trademarks.”

The term “intellectual property” carries a hidden assumption—that the way to think about all these disparate issues is based on an analogy with physical objects, and our conception of them as physical property.

When it comes to copying, this analogy disregards the crucial difference between material objects and information: information can be copied and shared almost effortlessly, while material objects can't be.

To avoid spreading unnecessary bias and confusion, it is best to adopt a firm policy not to speak or even think in terms of “intellectual property”.
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/not-ipr.html

The hypocrisy of calling these powers “rights” is starting to make the World “Intellectual Property” Organization embarrassed.
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/wipo-PublicAwarenessOfCopyright-2002.html

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-20 7:45

I'm >>2 and even I acknowledge that it's stealing. It's wrong but it's not something that I regret doing, you know what I mean?

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-20 8:11

>>6
The .pdf appears before the amazon.com, shame on you.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-20 9:56

How I does downbaot?

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-20 10:06

I echo the sentiment that this is a good book. I bought it for cheap and it was definitely worth it. A good read definitely.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-20 12:56

>>8
Stealing? It's just a fucking number. Goddamn, how did the "media providers" manage to brainwash people so?

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-20 13:19

>>12
Nope sorry, I used to think like you, but the more I contemplate on the subject, the more I'm convinced that it's stealing, plain and simple.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-20 13:27

>>13
You can't copyright a number, that's just silly.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-20 13:29

>>14
What number? Are you retarded? It's a BOOK.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-20 13:35

>>15
A PDF is not a book, it's a sequence of ones and zeroes.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-20 13:36

>>13
It's not stealing because you are not depriving anyone of their property. You are using a work made by an author without giving the author compensation. If alternatively you would have never bought the product for as long as you lived, then this makes no difference to author. But, if pirating has exposed you to material that you otherwise would not have taken the risk of buying, and if you later pay for the product or related products made by the author, then pirating actually helps the author. The increase in circulation makes the work more popular and makes its probability of being bought higher. This is assuming that there are people that still buy things they could otherwise pirate, or people that don't know how to pirate but are exposed to the products that are pirated by other.

tldr; pirating increases consumption and circulation. As long as everyone doesn't pirate, it can help get your product in use and more likely to be bought.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-20 13:39

>>16
That's like saying, "music files aren't really music. They're just stored as 1s and 0s!! Herpa-derp-a-derp!"

You can pirate electronic music. You can pirate electronic software. You can pirate electronic books.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-20 13:45

>>18
ARGG!!1 I'M A PIRATE!! CHECK OUT ME EYEPATCH AND PARROT!!

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-20 13:46

ninjas > pirates

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-20 13:47

Because I'm lazy and I don't want to waste my hard-earned NEET time reading a book that might be terrible, can someone write up a quick mini-review of this book and what it's about? Going by Amazon's description and reviews, it sounds like it might be incredibly dull or one of those stupid attempts to make something deep, man.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-20 13:55

robots > ninjas > pirates

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-20 14:07

pirates > niggers

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-20 14:08

>>21
it's a book about how computers work from how electrons represent information to chips to HLLs.

it is very interesting if you like computers.

Name: Barney McGrew 2012-10-20 14:10

There's no theft if you don't trick yourself into thinking there's property. Do you think Earth claims ownership of the beings it constructs? Will Earth try to imprison Mars if Mars happens to take one of its cute little creatures? I don't think so! The Earth doesn't even try to imprison you when you take a large branch from it, carve it into a dildo, and put it in your anus. If the Earth can be so kind as to allow us to do these wonderful things, why can't we learn from its example?

Similarly with 'piracy', you can only believe in it if you also believe in 'intellectual property'. The kool thing with 'intellectual property' is that it also relies on the concept of property, then twists and stretches it in a bunch of weird ways just for the sake of fucking with The Human and laughing at how easily it can be deceived.

BUT THESE IDEAS ARE BAD FOR INNOVATION, DAMMIT! HOW WE GONNA GET ON MARS IF WE BELIEVE IN A BUNCH OF HIPPIE-CRAP?

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-20 15:11

>>14,16,17,25
Sorry, stealing is stealing. You're utilizing someone else's hard work and give nothing in return. Plain and simple really.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-20 15:13

stealing is good for those who practice it.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-20 15:16

>>26
But it is actually preferable to zero consumption. So if you would otherwise consume nothing, you may as well pirate.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-20 15:18

>>26
Who gives a shit? They lived their entire lives solely to justify their usefulness to me anyway. It'd be rude to NOT pirate their work.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-20 15:19

Data is not property. You cannot steal data.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-20 15:22

>>30
Fuck off, Zuckerberg.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-20 15:30

>>31
Hey, it's your fault for not securing your data.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-20 15:32

Does this PDF have embedded fonts? I'm not going to download a 2.6 MB PDF if it doesn't have embedded fonts.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-20 15:35

>>33
Operating systems usually come with fonts.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-20 15:38

>>29
You talk like a Jew.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-20 15:44

>>34
The problem is that if I alias fonts to some metric equivalents, then my browser does the same thing (I don't want every website to use Bitstream whatever or some crummy X bitmap fonts because they match "Helvetica" or "Arial"). I could do some complicated fonts.conf wizardry, but Debian's font packaging team are cunts and they keep adding/changing configuration files that clash with mine.

If you want PDF to be truly portable, you should embed fonts. It's the only way to make sure it'll actually appear the same way across a variety of systems and printers.

Name: Barney McGrew 2012-10-20 16:03

>>26
Donkey excrement. Who do you think has the privilege in the exchange of a program for money? Certainly not the seller. Those vultures are picking 'your' bones dry.

ROCK ONNNNNNN!!!

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-20 16:27

>>33
TYPE BYTES Images 750350 Anchors 4114 Textruns 1693597 Fonts 85491 Forms 116 Color prof. 9341 Brushes 6064 Extgrst. 450 Overhead 138382

The PDF uses a total of 23 fronts or variations, the used subsets of which are embedded.

Also nice dubs brah!

>>7
Call them licenses or contracts. That's what they are.

>>et al.
http://harmful.cat-v.org/economics/intellectual_property/
questioncopyright.org

Don't love being in control?

>>brainwashed
Thanks for "stealing" todays forecast, the street names, even the TCP/IP communication on protected board called shii-chan. Imbeciles. Donations/Contributions are always welcomed.

Name: Anonymous 2012-10-20 16:32

>>18
That's like saying, "music files aren't really music. They're just stored as 1s and 0s!!
Yeah, that's the idea. Unfortunately it seems a lot of people don't want to get it.

A book I consider important

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