/prog/ - Perl vs. Python

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-25 11:56

Which language should I learn first?

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-25 11:59

Out of these two, Python. Perl is a mess.

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-25 12:02

>>2
Why do you say that?

I hate when people say ``x language is shit'' but don't provide any reasons for saying so.

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-25 12:12

>>2
Yeah, but Python doesn't have native regex(?) support. As a result, using regular expressions in Python is slow compared to Perl.

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-25 12:15

>>4
import re

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-25 12:19

>>4
What do you mean by "native regex support"?
Python's standard library has the re module.
Also, there are alternate regular expression modules available.

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-25 13:16

>>6
The re module isn't the same thing. By native support I mean the feature is built into the language. Python doesn't do such a thing.

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-25 13:19

>>6
And if you really want to understand the differences between the Perl and Python implementation, get and read the book "Mastering Regular Expessions" by Jeffery E.F. Friedl.

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-25 13:30

why would anyone learn perl ever

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-25 14:00

>>7
Simplifying the language by moving library-able things into libraries isn't exactly a bad thing. You could have argued about JITing the regexps, but you didn't.

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-25 14:03

javascript. it's the only dynamic language that was actually designed

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-25 14:07

Well, Perl is like !"Ysw¤%UYrW¤&%)

and Python is like hszzzhss hzzzzhzhzzz sshhhzzhhh

I'd choose Python

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-25 14:07

>>10
"guido is a huge fag" =~ /(huge|giant)\s+fag/ was a nice feature of perl

until superior japanese languages stole it from them

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-25 16:04

>>10
I suppose if have less than optimal code is your thing.

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-25 16:07

>>14
Maybe if you choose the wrong set of features to start with. Or if the implementer is called Guido van Rossum, then the former is most likely true too.

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-25 16:11

>>11
javascript. it's the only dynamic language that was actually designed

...in two weeks.

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-25 16:11

Read SICP.

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-25 16:12

>>33
If you change a variable afterwards, that's your fault. Don't do it if you don't want that.

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-25 16:13

>>18
Whoops, mispost. Ignore that.

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-25 16:21

Learn Perl
Then learn Python

Maybe you won't be developing in Perl, but it's damn useful for developing quick "helper" utilities.

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-25 16:22

>>18,19
go back to /b/, please!

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-25 16:24

Friends don't let friends read SICP.

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-25 20:51

>>10
You could JIT the regexes even though they're part of a module.

The module is part of the standard library.

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-25 20:56

>>22

(friends (not

                (let ((friends (read SICP))))))

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-25 22:35

>>24
Disgusting.

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-25 23:29

>>25
Yes, yes you are.

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-26 0:47

>>26
lol u mad

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-26 2:05

just started reading SICP, its pretty sweet...never took Lisp seriously until now.

Not OP btw, just a viewer

ive only ever known OOP, working with lua, Java, and C++ (learning in that order) but of course i am eager to learn more!

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-26 3:20

>>28
OOP in those languages is different from OOP in Lisp (assuming CL, which you should learn after picking up Scheme). I strongly suggest learning how to work with CLOS.

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-26 7:59

>>14
letting efficency of regex implementation be the determining factor for choosing perl over python

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-26 8:03

>>30
Anyway, CL-PCRE has more efficient regaxum than Perl.

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-26 8:16

>>23
Indeed.

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-26 10:53

CHECK 'EM DUBZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-26 18:46

>>33
Consider them checked.

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-26 18:57

Why not both?

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-26 19:58

>>35
or neither?

>>33
sweet dubs!

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-27 22:45

In doubt, sort alphabetically

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-28 13:53

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Name: Anonymous 2012-07-28 19:24

Perl. Just because Python community is just a bunch of circlejerking assholes, and on the concept level both languages are essentialy the same thing.

Except that lexical scoping in Perl is not fundamentally broken

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-28 19:37

>>39
pretty much this

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