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/prog/: Friends and Foes

Name: Anonymous 2012-06-10 10:52

Here we build a list of friends and foes of /prog/. I'll start!

Friends:
- /prog/snake

Unsure:
- Richard Stallman
- The Sussman

Foes:
- Feminists

Name: Anonymous 2012-06-10 13:03

Foes:
FIOC
OOP
GPL

Name: Anonymous 2012-06-10 13:03

fuck richard stallman

best programmer ever is john carmack

Name: Anonymous 2012-06-10 13:23

Foes:
GC
CS undergrads looking for homework help
Redditors
Imageboard migrants
FOSStards who care about freedom for philosophical and moral reasons than for the pragmatic, tangible benefits
People who argue about programming languages rather than discussing actual programming

Name: Anonymous 2012-06-10 13:24

FRIENDS:
FEMINIST FEMALE PROGRAMMERS.

Name: VIPPER 2012-06-10 13:33

>>5
Female feminist programmers are not real programmers.

Name: Anonymous 2012-06-10 13:53

>>4
FOSStards who care about freedom for philosophical and moral reasons than for the pragmatic, tangible benefits

There are no tangible benefits of FOSS. That's why they have to resort to nebulous philosophical arguments. Just look at how much Windows is better than Linux, how much VS is better than Emacs, how much PowerShell is better than bash, how much UNIX is better than GNU, how much Photoshop is better than GIMP, how much MS Office is better than LibreOffice.

Name: Anonymous 2012-06-10 18:47

Foes:
feminist faggots
>>5

Name: Anonymous 2012-06-10 18:47

>>4
I am unsure whether to hate you more or less than the feminist faggot.

Name: Anonymous 2012-06-10 18:55

>>9
WATCH YOUR PRIVILEGE, MALE PROGRAMMER.

Name: Anonymous 2012-06-10 21:13

>>7

There's the benefit of cost, no back doors, the ability to install on any amount of machines without paying more for licensing, fast responses to bugs if there is an active community, the ability to extend the project for your own purposes and uses, and the ability to debug the internals of the library if there is a flaw in it, or if your use is incorrect and you want to see specifically where it is failing. I will say that most foss programmers suck at making intuitive user interfaces. I guess UI designers only work for money.

Name: Anonymous 2012-06-10 21:15

>>11
Yes but if the software is substandard, what's the point of all that? In the end, you get what you pay for.

Name: Anonymous 2012-06-10 21:23

>>12
Why do you assume proprietary software is always correct? PROTIP: it's not. What's stopping you from paying money to improve free software?

Name: Anonymous 2012-06-10 21:28

>>13
Why would I pay money to improve free software when I can get proprietary software that does the job better for cheaper. An an example, for the price of a copy of Microsoft Office, I could hire someone to work for maybe just two days to improve LibreOffice - why would I waste my money??

Name: Anonymous 2012-06-10 21:44

/PROG/SNAKE CAN'T TYPE

Name: Anonymous 2012-06-10 21:50

>>14
In the end, you get what you pay for.
when I can get proprietary software that does the job better for cheaper
Contradictions
2011+1

Name: Anonymous 2012-06-10 21:50

>>11
the ability to install on any amount of machines without paying more for licensing
Only really relevant for server clusters
fast responses to bugs if there is an active community
Or you could use software that can afford QA so there are no major bugs. The "bazaar" method of QA doesn't really work when you're an end-user trying to get something done with it.
the ability to extend the project for your own purposes and uses
You can extend proprietary software with plugin SDKs (if provided).

>>13
Kinda nullifies the benefit of FOSS not costing any money.

Name: Anonymous 2012-06-10 21:54

>>17
The point is that free software can be improved to fit every user's needs. PROTIP: this is a skilled craft and therefore, it's an expensive craft. Only idiots use the argument that free software is cheaper.

Name: Anonymous 2012-06-10 21:56

>>18
Why should anyone give a shit about having the code of LibreOffice to "extend it" when they can just write VB shit for MS Office?

Name: Anonymous 2012-06-10 21:59

>>16
Not a contradiction. If buying software:

- You can pay nothing, and get shit quality 'floss' progams.
- You can pay something, and get decent wholesome proprietary software.

If for some reason you decide to pay a programmer to improve the 'floss' programs:

- You can pay her the cost of buying a copy of similar proprietary software, and waste this money by getting almost no improvement on your 'floss' programs.
- You can pay her a great deal of money to improve the 'floss' programs so that she does a decent job of it and it's comparable in quality to the proprietary software.

Name: Anonymous 2012-06-10 21:59

>>19
You're not making any sense. How do you interpret that query?

Name: Anonymous 2012-06-10 22:00

>>11
-everything you say is wrong. the only way you can be sure there are no backdoors is if you have source
-there is always more bugs in commercial software because the cost of programmer time is too high to test and debug properly. Its cheaper to just ship and do patches later
-It is actually part of the business model of commercial software companies to ship incomplete software and make money on selling new versions and upgrades.
-open source programmers make software for their own use so they fix bugs fast so it will work properly. Because its open source they are likely to get help by other programmers who want such software and who are experts in that area of software.
-most intelligent people understand the real benefits of open source, the fact that a clown like rms goes around spamming his slogans about freedom are aimed at idiots who repeat those slogans like trained parrots

Name: Anonymous 2012-06-10 22:00

>>18
So can proprietary software. What is your point?

Name: Anonymous 2012-06-10 22:01

>>20
You're funny bro. 6/10.

Name: Anonymous 2012-06-10 22:01

>>23
Kinda nullifies the benefit of FOSS not costing any money.

Name: Anonymous 2012-06-10 22:06

>>22
and who are experts in that area of software.

If they're such experts then they'll be getting paid for their work. It's mostly unskilled amateurs and jobless layabouts that work on open source software.

I'd much prefer to have my software written by highly skilled professionals such as the coding wizards at Microsoft or Oracle, rather than by some random "hackers" working from their mothers' basements. How can I trust these people to do a good job when they're not even getting paid for their work? Anyone who calls themselves a "hacker" is probably going to backdoor the software at some point anyway.

Name: Anonymous 2012-06-10 22:09

>>25
       “Linux is only free if your time is worthless”
                                 -- Linus Torvalds, 2003

Name: Anonymous 2012-06-10 22:13

>>26
I stopped using windows because Vista and 7 are a seething pile of shit. I refuse to use more than 2 gigs of ram to run an OS smoothly. Im currently typing on a netbook with 1 gig of RAM that is running Mint. The fact that you really want to pay for software that is fucking you over really proves you are white trash who deserves to get fucked. I dont say that as an insult, I say it because its true

Name: Anonymous 2012-06-10 22:21

>>28
Windows 7 does everything I want, runs the software I need smoothly and efficiently, and cost the equivalent of around two hours pay for me. Why would I use some Linux crap when I have what I need already, and at such a cheap price?

Name: Anonymous 2012-06-10 22:25

>>29
just wait till 8 comes out, there will be a point when even suck-ups like you cant keep up with the breaking software due to forced 'upgrades'

Name: Anonymous 2012-06-10 22:28

>>30
You Linux fanboys are pathetic. It's not some sort of holy war, you know. This is about being pragmatic and sensible, instead of chanting about "liberation" and "cathedrals versus bizarre".

Name: Anonymous 2012-06-10 22:37

>>31
instead of chanting about "liberation"
I dont use open source for that reason. unfortunately rms has given all of open source a bad name and a false impression of what open source is about

Name: Anonymous 2012-06-10 22:41

>>32
It's about guilt tripping gullible people into giving the fruits of their labour away without proper compensation. Only a fool would release their hard work as open source.

Name: Anonymous 2012-06-10 22:50

>>33
but work isn't hard. And it is possible to make money off of open source software by offering support for it. You just can't use it to leverage the market with a product that others would have to reinvent in order to compete. I don't know about you, but people spending time reinventing work that has already been done by others seems like an inefficient way for a society to produce technology, at least to me.

Name: Anonymous 2012-06-10 22:58

>>34
Indeed, that's why it saddens me to see people devoting years of their time to writing software like Gnome and LibreOffice, when a perfectly good combination of Microsoft Windows and Office already exists.

Name: Anonymous 2012-06-10 23:04

>>35
so all software to ever exist should be written soley by microsoft? I guess that could work... If every software developer in the world was an employee of microsoft, they would all have access to each other's work.

Name: feminist female programmer 2012-06-10 23:15

>>36
watch your privilege, male programmer.

Name: Anonymous 2012-06-10 23:24

>>35
"Perfectly good"? Let's go over a few of the bad points shared by both Microsoft Windows and Office:

- You can't make copies of either program without Microsoft's permission.
- You can't modify the core functionality of either program without Microsoft's permission.

Those points alone would encourage me to discard both programs and seek alternatives. I'm sure they won't encourage you to do likewise, since you have different values to myself and the people who contribute to Gnome and LibreOffice.

Name: FFP 2012-06-10 23:24

>>38
that's cool "bro", just remember to WYPMP.

Name: Anonymous 2012-06-10 23:29

>>39
WYPMP
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