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Name: Anonymous 2012-03-27 10:59

2012:
You
Me
Sussman, The
Dubs Guy
Kodak gallery programmer
The One Kodak refers to as the Mental Midget
The /polecats kebab/-able
A hikikomori or two from /jp/ seeking SICP wisdom
Python the Hard Way Guy, probably Zed Shaw
Mentifex
The ancient shitposter that honed his craft since modems were first 2400 baud
The guy that starts threads of woe of /prog/'s shittiness
,@(include >>2-1001)

MIA in 2012:
Furozen Voido (pastebin perhaps ran out of #define tokens)
Everyone from before 2008

Name: Anonymous 2012-03-27 12:59

You
o/  here!

Name: Anonymous 2012-03-27 17:29

You're not my friend, and I know my friend also posts here.

Name: Anonymous 2012-03-27 19:10

>>2
He was referring to me, Sussman.

Name: Anonymous 2012-03-27 19:12

WTF? I'm in!!! Now what to do?

Name: Anonymous 2012-03-27 19:30

Shit, I'm the only one who recommends Learn Python the Hard Way, and I don't even like that shitty language. Can I be recast as ``/prog/ was never good'' guy?

Name: Anonymous 2012-03-27 19:50

>>6
You think Python is a shitty language but LPTHW is a good book?

Have you considered the possibility that  you're a fucking moron?

Name: Anonymous 2012-03-27 19:57

>>7
I dislike Python for its second-class support for functional programming, its bullshit ``philosophy'' and the insufferable fanboys who spout it everywhere.

None of that, however, concerns an absolute beginner to programming nor does it detract from the fact that it is, actually, pretty newbie friendly, or that LPTHW is sound.

Now go scrub another toilet, you mental midget.

Name: Anonymous 2012-03-27 20:47

>>8
But LPTHW is shit, and Python is the most powerful language available.

Now go lick another asshole, you intellectual elf.

Name: Anonymous 2012-03-27 20:56

Ancient Shitposter reporting. I just wanted to say how validated I feel to be included in the prog team and the recognition of my wealth of history and experience in shitposting.

From before 2008 the balance for me was more even between this and SSSCCCCCCIIIIIIIIIENNNNNNNCNCCCCCEEEEEEEEE than it is now. /math/ just isn't active at all anymore whereas preg is livid.

Name: Anonymous 2012-03-27 21:25

Dubs guy here.

Name: Mentifex 2012-03-27 23:23

At one time, for the sake of Third Love, I was supposed to marry her friend from England who had attended a college where her reference librarian was a guy named Philip Larkin, who dabbled in poetry. (I owed her big-time, because she had smuggled out of England for me a book on Amiga ARexx that I used to write MindRexx, my first AI Mind program.) Anyway, the British public used to wait with fractured patience for this poetaster Larkin to complete and publish one slim volume after another. I had a similar experience one day when a copy of my subscription to The New Yorker arrived. Glancing through it on my way to Evans Pool, I discovered that it contained a long article about someone whose foreign-language poems I knew by heart (a few of them anyway). I felt a tidal wave of mere anticipation wash over me as I foresaw myself sitting leisurely in the Honey Bear and enjoying word by word, line by line, the lengthy article about the Russian poetess Anna Akhmatova.

In Russian, Honey Bear would be an atrociouly redundant phrase, like calling someone Honey Honeywit, but not in English. In Russia, I would be a real nitwit if I tried to take the name of Seattle's once most popular coffee shop and tried to open a cafe in Moscow with the name Honey Bear. Memetically, it would go over like a lead balloon. But what exactly is a nitwit in the truest sense? It is a nothing-knower or a not-knower, and we may make memetic hay from old English words like the aforesaid nitwit. As you knowingly spread your awesome memes about the end of the world as we know it (TEOTWAWKI), or about the better mousetrap, or about your grudge against reality, or about wotnot else you have in mind, you and I have a chance in Cyberspace to take back the English language and to restore words to what they were once-and-future supposed to mean. The very word whatnot is a corruption of the word wotnot, as if to say, I wot not whereof you speak. Netizens and muggles who use the word whatnot are unwittingly carrying on the murder most foul of the English language. But Father forgive them, for they wot not what they do.

Name: Anonymous 2012-03-28 1:49

Pre 2008 poster here, I only check in every couple of months to see if there are any non-shit threads though.

Name: Anonymous 2012-03-28 9:36

>>13
I LOVE YOU! I LOVE YOUR POST! I READ IT FIVE TIMES! KEEP POSTING!

Name: Anonymous 2012-03-28 9:50

>>12
What exactly are you rambling on about?

Name: Mentifex 2012-03-28 10:08

http://www.scn.org/~mentifex/taotmeme.html

In June of that year when I had figured out how the mind works, I knew that I must publish the mind-design or perish the thought. Briefly I had toyed with transmitting the whole kit and kaboodle to Seymour Cray for implantation on supercomputers, but he never wrote back to me from his Behemoth factory in Chippewa Falls. Instead of trying to get money for my ideas, I decided to just give them away -- which turned out to be just as hard as trying to monetize what I had eureka'ed. Feverishly I wrote up Natural Language through Abstract Memory in a matter of weeks and I mailed it off to the prestigious journal Artificial Intelligence at the Palo Alto Research Center (PARC) of Xerox Corporation. A few weeks later, the paper was rejected for being speculative in nature. OK, no problem, let's mail it to the Australian journal Speculations in Science and Technology right up their alley. Not so fast, you PLA nobody trying to break into the world of science. This time the paper came back rejected as being not in the hard sciences, like physics or chemistry. I was beginning to feel like the Beatles song where nobody wants to listen to my story. Desperate, despairing, our desperado Mentifex mailed the manuscript off a third time, to the journal Cognitive Science being edited out of a prestigious office at Yale University. "Inappropriate," came back the rejection. Now what? Mentifex here was running out of journals that he could think of for re-submitting the AI breakthrough, but I was still reading Scientific American every month, and in September of that year they published an entire issue devoted to brain science. One author in particular had gotten two articles published in the same issue, so I sent the NLTAM paper to him at his Harvard office. and also to the neuroscience Nobelist Sir John Carew Eccles in Switzerland. As the months went by and the annus mirabilis came to end, there was no reply from anybody, so Mentifex once again was totally stymied. I began to daydream that somehow, if I just had two hundred million dollars, I could hire engineers and roboticists to build a working model of the mind that I had designed while working at Piers Parking on the Seattle waterfront. I had no idea back then that you could build the AI Mind in JavaScript on a three-hundred-dollar Acer Aspire One netbook computer, to think in either English or Russian. I was a memeless, clueless newbie to the Archimedean opportunity of "Give me a place to stand and I will move the Earth." One by one my friends told me, "Go back to school. Get a degree in artificial intelligence." But I did not want to learn the secrets of AI from those who were still in the dark. I wanted to reveal the secrets of AI that had come to me in blinding flashes of light. My year of discovery came to an end and a new Decade of Darkness descended upon the world. The actor in Bedtime for Bonzo was elected president of the free world, the Russians invaded Afghanistan, and two Nobel scientists in neuroscience wrote back to me that I needed to send my NLTAM paper out to more appropriate individuals than themselves. My AI project began to stagnate. The state of Washington closed down Piers Parking and put me out of a job. I had to close out my annuity in TIAA/CREF. As Crawdad Man of Green Lake I had a meager source of income from the lake bottom, but Jesus on the Ave kept begging all the money away from me. The ghost of Bukharin kept whispering in my ear, "What do do? What to do?" After one more slice of the endless summer, I decided to get a job.

The executive director of the Washington Newspaper Publishers Association (WNPA), Mr. Jerry Zubrod, hired me over the phone, sight unseen and mettle untested, to work at slave wages performing what I was accustomed to paying for: reading newspapers all day long in the WNPA press clipping service. It was located just a three-minute bike ride down the hill from Vaierre, my Wallingford apartment. I got to read the thirty-one daily newspapers of Washington state, and the mountains of weekly newspapers. I felt like Brer Rabbit being tossed back in the briar patch. I soon invented a device to make it easier for all us readers to read the newspapers and find the articles wanted by our 124 clients. I took some really thick, firm paper and created interlocking slats or elements to hold the typewritten name of the client, the account number for us to write in red on each article, and a brief indication of topics wanted by the client. Then I put all the interlocking slats together in alphabetical order and photocopied the status quo of all our clipping service accounts as a placard or manifest to be taped onto the easel for reading newspapers. The supervisor refused to use my invention, but all the other readers were glad to have it.

Within a year I was reading 1,900 pages a day and scoring at the top of the monthly statistics report. Better yet, I was observing memes in action as they percolated and propagated not through the Twitterverse but through the Gazettiverse, that is, the universe of newspapers in Washington state. It was a prime example of "They shouldn'a done that" when they hired me to read newspapers. I not only saw memes in action; I started to interfere in the actions of the newspaper memes. One time a weekly newspaper published a story about Happy Valley Natural Bank, which they said would keep your money in a savings account and not tell the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) about the interest. Well, the IRS was our clipping service client, and I knew the story was a joke, but I wrote "826" on the story anyway and sent it to the IRS just for fun. Now, the IRS can not take a joke, and a few weeks later, in the same weekly newspaper, an incredulous story appeared and reported to all and sundry that Big Brother IRS had initiated a federal investigation into the Happy Valley Natural Bank that was refusing to report the accrual of interest to the tax authorities. Score one for Mentifex, score mud in your eye for IRS. Then we had a would-be client walk in the door who was the Public Enemy Number One of the IRS. Mr. Philip Long, who is now deceased, had started filing lawsuits against the IRS, and was winning them! He came to WNPA one day just to inquire about something, and he was disappointed with what he heard, but I got to talk with him out on the sidewalk. He gave me his thunderbolt of a personal business card, and I was waiting for the day when the IRS would audit me and I would pull out the business card like a clump of tanna leaves to thrust in the face of the Rotten Mummies of Egypt, or like Kryptonite to Superman, or like a crucifix in the face of Count Dracula. Alas, the IRS never audited Mentifex, and some gouy on the Internet declared that it would never do any good to sue Mentifex, because he was judgment-proof in his penury. You can't get blood out of a turnip, and you can get memes but not money out of Mentifex.

Another time in a weekly newspaper from eastern Washington where they grow crops, I was reading an extremely disturbing story where the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) conducted a raid on a Mexican family in the middle of the night. It was like American soldiers killing an entire family in Iraq or Afghanistan. The INS took away the parents and left the childen screaming and wailing. In my anger at what was happening, I exceeded my authority as a clipping service reader and I walked into the outer room where we had pigeonholes full of extra copies of every weekly newspaper in Washington state. I went to the farm-country weekly that I was reading and I helped myself to fifteen original copies of the IRS article that had not only made me mad but had made me want to get even. We had about a dozen politician clients in the national and local Senates and Houses. I sent an original, newsprint copy of the INS Gestapo article to every single elected official among our clipping service clients. Then the newsprint began to hit the fan, and articles started appearing about Congressional offices trying to exercise some oversight over the inhumane tactics of the INS. Score another memetic point for Mentifex; take fifteen points off the clientside (no, this is not JavaScript) of the clipping service roster of accounts. One of the cutter girls had never seen an article go out to fifteen clients simultaneously but she muttered, "If Arthur wants to do it, I guess it's okay." She did not know that the clipping service had hired a subversive, a wolf in sheeple clothing, and a reality hacker bent on hacking the woof and fabric of Fiat Justitia Ruat Coelum even if it meant collapsing the wave function and poofing us all suddenly into non-existence.

Name: Mentifex 2012-03-28 10:09

http://www.scn.org/~mentifex/taotmeme.html

The executive director of the Washington Newspaper Publishers Association (WNPA), Mr. Jerry Zubrod, hired me over the phone, sight unseen and mettle untested, to work at slave wages performing what I was accustomed to paying for: reading newspapers all day long in the WNPA press clipping service. It was located just a three-minute bike ride down the hill from Vaierre, my Wallingford apartment. I got to read the thirty-one daily newspapers of Washington state, and the mountains of weekly newspapers. I felt like Brer Rabbit being tossed back in the briar patch. I soon invented a device to make it easier for all us readers to read the newspapers and find the articles wanted by our 124 clients. I took some really thick, firm paper and created interlocking slats or elements to hold the typewritten name of the client, the account number for us to write in red on each article, and a brief indication of topics wanted by the client. Then I put all the interlocking slats together in alphabetical order and photocopied the status quo of all our clipping service accounts as a placard or manifest to be taped onto the easel for reading newspapers. The supervisor refused to use my invention, but all the other readers were glad to have it.

Within a year I was reading 1,900 pages a day and scoring at the top of the monthly statistics report. Better yet, I was observing memes in action as they percolated and propagated not through the Twitterverse but through the Gazettiverse, that is, the universe of newspapers in Washington state. It was a prime example of "They shouldn'a done that" when they hired me to read newspapers. I not only saw memes in action; I started to interfere in the actions of the newspaper memes. One time a weekly newspaper published a story about Happy Valley Natural Bank, which they said would keep your money in a savings account and not tell the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) about the interest. Well, the IRS was our clipping service client, and I knew the story was a joke, but I wrote "826" on the story anyway and sent it to the IRS just for fun. Now, the IRS can not take a joke, and a few weeks later, in the same weekly newspaper, an incredulous story appeared and reported to all and sundry that Big Brother IRS had initiated a federal investigation into the Happy Valley Natural Bank that was refusing to report the accrual of interest to the tax authorities. Score one for Mentifex, score mud in your eye for IRS. Then we had a would-be client walk in the door who was the Public Enemy Number One of the IRS. Mr. Philip Long, who is now deceased, had started filing lawsuits against the IRS, and was winning them! He came to WNPA one day just to inquire about something, and he was disappointed with what he heard, but I got to talk with him out on the sidewalk. He gave me his thunderbolt of a personal business card, and I was waiting for the day when the IRS would audit me and I would pull out the business card like a clump of tanna leaves to thrust in the face of the Rotten Mummies of Egypt, or like Kryptonite to Superman, or like a crucifix in the face of Count Dracula. Alas, the IRS never audited Mentifex, and some gouy on the Internet declared that it would never do any good to sue Mentifex, because he was judgment-proof in his penury. You can't get blood out of a turnip, and you can get memes but not money out of Mentifex.

Another time in a weekly newspaper from eastern Washington where they grow crops, I was reading an extremely disturbing story where the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) conducted a raid on a Mexican family in the middle of the night. It was like American soldiers killing an entire family in Iraq or Afghanistan. The INS took away the parents and left the childen screaming and wailing. In my anger at what was happening, I exceeded my authority as a clipping service reader and I walked into the outer room where we had pigeonholes full of extra copies of every weekly newspaper in Washington state. I went to the farm-country weekly that I was reading and I helped myself to fifteen original copies of the IRS article that had not only made me mad but had made me want to get even. We had about a dozen politician clients in the national and local Senates and Houses. I sent an original, newsprint copy of the INS Gestapo article to every single elected official among our clipping service clients. Then the newsprint began to hit the fan, and articles started appearing about Congressional offices trying to exercise some oversight over the inhumane tactics of the INS. Score another memetic point for Mentifex; take fifteen points off the clientside (no, this is not JavaScript) of the clipping service roster of accounts. One of the cutter girls had never seen an article go out to fifteen clients simultaneously but she muttered, "If Arthur wants to do it, I guess it's okay." She did not know that the clipping service had hired a subversive, a wolf in sheeple clothing, and a reality hacker bent on hacking the woof and fabric of Fiat Justitia Ruat Coelum even if it meant collapsing the wave function and poofing us all suddenly into non-existence.

Name: Mentifex 2012-03-28 10:10

http://www.scn.org/~mentifex/taotmeme.html

Another time in a weekly newspaper from eastern Washington where they grow crops, I was reading an extremely disturbing story where the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) conducted a raid on a Mexican family in the middle of the night. It was like American soldiers killing an entire family in Iraq or Afghanistan. The INS took away the parents and left the childen screaming and wailing. In my anger at what was happening, I exceeded my authority as a clipping service reader and I walked into the outer room where we had pigeonholes full of extra copies of every weekly newspaper in Washington state. I went to the farm-country weekly that I was reading and I helped myself to fifteen original copies of the IRS article that had not only made me mad but had made me want to get even. We had about a dozen politician clients in the national and local Senates and Houses. I sent an original, newsprint copy of the INS Gestapo article to every single elected official among our clipping service clients. Then the newsprint began to hit the fan, and articles started appearing about Congressional offices trying to exercise some oversight over the inhumane tactics of the INS. Score another memetic point for Mentifex; take fifteen points off the clientside (no, this is not JavaScript) of the clipping service roster of accounts. One of the cutter girls had never seen an article go out to fifteen clients simultaneously but she muttered, "If Arthur wants to do it, I guess it's okay." She did not know that the clipping service had hired a subversive, a wolf in sheeple clothing, and a reality hacker bent on hacking the woof and fabric of Fiat Justitia Ruat Coelum even if it meant collapsing the wave function and poofing us all suddenly into non-existence.

Name: Anonymous 2012-03-28 16:51

>>12,16-18
Fuck off, Terry A. Davis.

Name: Anonymous 2012-03-28 16:57

>>19
Damn you! You just called tdavis upon /prog/, you've doomed us all!

But on a more serious note, that poor nutter wouldn't be able to generate such coherent-seeming strings either through bots or by himself.

Name: Anonymous 2012-03-28 17:09

>>17
Jerry Zubrod
Jew.

Name: Anonymous 2012-03-28 17:11

>>19>>20
Who is tdavis by nationality/religion?

Name: Anonymous 2012-03-28 17:12

Name: Anonymous 2012-03-28 17:28

>>22
He's a christian schizophrenic loony. He thinks that gawd speaks to him directly, thus he became a fervent christian, even if he doesn't actually care about christian religious doctrine.

Also, please optimize your quotes!

Name: Anonymous 2012-03-28 17:43

>>24
There are surely enough Jewish Christians. Jews are a race, not a religion.

Name: Anonymous 2012-03-28 17:45

>>20
tdavis is a programmer. mentifeces is a crook.

Name: Anonymous 2012-03-28 19:26

/jp/ guy here, I'll join.

Name: Anonymous 2012-03-28 22:38

tdavis here.

Lazy men work the hardest.

I made PIC micros behave like I2C EEPROMS, asm obviously. I had a coworker who tried doing shit on a Rabbit chip in C or something.

God says... C:\LoseThos\www.losethos.com\text\WEALTH.TXT

tile system proposes to enrich every country, yet, with regard to some particular commodities, it seems to follow an opposite plan: to discourage exportation, and to encourage importation. Its ultimate object, however, it pretends, is always the same, to enrich the country by an advantageous balance of trade. It discourages the exportation of the materials of manufacture, and of the instruments of trade, in order to give our own workmen an advantage, and to enable them to undersell those of other n

Name: Anonymous 2012-03-28 22:49

>>9
Python is the most powerful language available
that would be javascript, actually

Name: Anonymous 2012-03-28 22:55

>>28
I didn't realize, until now, that tdavis's quotes were from actual books...  www.losethos.com\text\WEALTH.TXT

I seem to remember them being just gibberish in the past.

Name: Anonymous 2012-03-28 22:57

Name: Anonymous 2012-03-29 6:29

>>28
C:\? tdavis uses windows? And expects anyone to take him seriously?

Name: ‮ SELBUOD ‭SWEET 2012-03-29 6:30

>>1
Dubs Guy
Check 'em.

Name: Cudder !MhMRSATORI!FBeUS42x4uM+kgp 2012-03-29 6:54

>>32
LoseThos uses drive letters too, although forward slashes instead of backslashes.[1][2]

[1] http://www.losethos.com/LTHtml/Adam/FileMgr.html
[2] http://www.losethos.com/LTHtml/Doc/HelpMain.html

Name: Anonymous 2012-03-29 7:46

Fuck off to /jp/, Cudder. I'm sure they appreciate the ``services'' you attempt to provide.

Name: Anonymous 2012-03-29 8:45

>>35
What services?

Name: Mentifex 2012-03-29 10:27

http://hplusmagazine.com/2012/03/29/russia-2045-will-the-singularity-be-launched-in-russia/

In my first year as a clipping service memester I ran into Lawrence of Algebra one day outside the Food Giant grocery store across from my Vaierre Schlupfwinkel. Larry had a Ph.D. in mathematics and a Man from La Mancha zeal to change the world, for which purpose he had started NOVEMBER Magazine as a samizdat vehicle for his revolutionary dissemination of ideas. Larry and I had met on the playground of Christ the King School twenty years earlier when I noticed a nerdy kid offering to show me an astronomy book open to a map of the southern sky with different stars than the ones we see in the northern hemisphere. I tried to act like it was old hat to a stargazer like myself, but secretly I felt that I was in the presence of genius, as did my classmates and the teachers who let Larry skip a grade to graduate in the same class with me from Blanchet High School. Now I was updating Larry on the status of my AI project, and he offered to publish an article about it in NOVEMBER Magazine. Suddenly I was hanging out in the Frankfurter restaurant in the University DIstrict and scribbling away on what would be published as Brain-Mind: Know Thyself! (BMKT). As an illustration I created the very first of eventually dozens of ASCII diagrams for the Mentifex AI project. This diagram showed the mind-grid with its sensory inputs, its motor outputs, and the concept fibers at the core of the mind. I created it as a rough draft on a typewriter but I could not improve upon the rough draft, so the rough draft got published as a final draft. When it was time to publish the magazine in Larry's basement, he had no art for the cover and he accepted my generous offer of using the brain-mind diagram from my own article on the cover of the entire issue. Larry printed five hundred copies of Volume One, Number Four and let me have about 120 copies in lieu of the monetary payment that was due to me as an author.

Meanwhile I was a subscriber to BYTE magazine and I decided to mail out a hundred copies of NOVEMBER Magazine with my cover article to a hundred authors of articles about microcomputers in BYTE magazine, which gave the mailing addresses of most of the authors. It was the first memetic campaign in the Long March of spreading memes about Mentifex AI. Years later I wrote back to some of the authors to see if they remembered or still had the issue of NOVEMBER Magazine, but no positive responses were coming back so I discontinued that particular follow-up.

I sent a copy of NOVEMBER Magazine to a Russian physicist working at the Akademgorodok in Novosibirsk. I had met him and spoken Russian with him and his colleagues who were part of a Soviet exchange exhibit at the Seattle Center. Unbeknownst to me, he was trying to get my AI article translated into Russian and officially archived while I was despairing of my AI project back in Seattle. In December of the year that my article was published, I was deeply ashamed that our letters crossed in the mail and he received word that I was giving up while I received word that he had used his official position to try to promote my work in AI. After that embarassment, I never again gave up on Mentifex AI. In fact, I launched a memetic campaign so aggressive and so restorative of my briefly defeatist attitudes that neutral Netizens and Mentifex-bashers alike have marveled ever since at the kooklike tenacity of Mentifex in spreading AI memes.

A fellow Seattle, Chester Carlton, had spent a large chunk of his life inventing and marketing a technique called xerography (dry printing) and a machine called a photocopier just because he wanted to invent something valuable for the world. He ended up on a postage stamp, which I bought many plates of and used proudly in my AI meme campaigns. I also used his photocopy machine to make hundreds and hundreds, nay, thousands of AI mind-diagram postcards that I started mailing out to neuroscientists and computer scientists after the deep shame of giving up on my AI project when someone in Soviet Russia was literally risking his neck on my unworthy behalf. I made periodic forays into the New Periodicals room of the Health Sciences Library at the University of Washington medical school, where I would sit and address the postcards offering my theory of mind to brain scientists all over the world. I had a response rate of about fifteen percent, and I would send out details of my theory of mind in return. Some of the recipients of the AI postcards offered me advice on how to proceed, but nobody got carried away by the memetic message of my theory of mind.

Name: Mentifex 2012-03-29 10:29

A fellow Seattlite, Chester Carlton, had spent a large chunk of his life inventing and marketing a technique called xerography (dry printing) and a machine called a photocopier just because he wanted to invent something valuable for the world. He ended up on a postage stamp, which I bought many plates of and used proudly in my AI meme campaigns. I also used his photocopy machine to make hundreds and hundreds, nay, thousands of AI mind-diagram postcards that I started mailing out to neuroscientists and computer scientists after the deep shame of giving up on my AI project when someone in Soviet Russia was literally risking his neck on my unworthy behalf. I made periodic forays into the New Periodicals room of the Health Sciences Library at the University of Washington medical school, where I would sit and address the postcards offering my theory of mind to brain scientists all over the world. I had a response rate of about fifteen percent, and I would send out details of my theory of mind in return. Some of the recipients of the AI postcards offered me advice on how to proceed, but nobody got carried away by the memetic message of my theory of mind.

Name: Anonymous 2012-03-29 11:45

Name: Anonymous 2012-03-29 11:45


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