Money lets us tell other people what to do, regardless of whether it is good or bad (and it's usually the latter)
There is also a select few, being so ludicrously rich, that becoming richer is almost impossible... For them there is only one option; in order to become even richer and more powerful, they must drive the rest of the world into poverty...
>>31
The government issued money as credit; if work was done, the government created money that equalled the work done. The bankers who practised fractional reserve banking created money through debt; people asked for a bank loan and the bank created money to cover the loan.
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Anonymous2012-01-02 20:23
>>33
You'll be the first to get hanged, race traitor.
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Anonymous2012-01-02 21:37
Here's another funny coincidence...
Steve jobs, iphone mogul and billionare (?) apparently always had a very strong grip on how he was portrayed in the media... Then, one day triple J's Hack talk-show did a story on the conditions of chinese workers in those factories (quite a graphic story, even though it was only on the radio), and within, well, not long, he was dead... (Or at least everyone now believes he is...?)
The story goes that the smart, but poor people from small villages go to work in those iphone factories, and while the conditions are atrocious, they cannot quit due to their wages feeding their entire 20-30 person families... most have hands that just don't work anymore, and so they climb to the top of the building and throw themselves off
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Anonymous2012-01-02 21:54
>>43 they cannot quit due to their wages feeding their entire 20-30 person families...
They should implement eugenics with something like one child per family, with additional kids allowed only for significant donation to the state (which should go on welfare).
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Anonymous2012-01-02 22:04
>>40 Always remember, the Jews did this to us.
Not all jews are evil, but the few rich and power-hungry jewish families, those who wont stop from doing weapon and drug business, or killing millions if that serves their goals. These fimilies should be removed from power.
>>42
This thread is completely inappropriate to this board. It needs to go back to /b/.
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Anonymous2012-01-02 22:15
>>44
i think they do have that one child policy (might be extended family // or might've got the figures wrong, not sure now)...
And it was mentioned that doing something simple like task-rotation could well save their hands... Instead i think they've put nets up around the factories... but still
And keep in mind it's not just apple that manufactures in china...
[How much suffering is worth one man's wealth..?]
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Anonymous2012-01-02 22:24
>>47 How much suffering is worth one man's wealth..?
It depends on the cost of human life. As they say, we have an overpopulation, meaning the human life cost almost nothing.
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Anonymous2012-01-02 22:34
>>47 And keep in mind it's not just apple that manufactures in china...
It's good, workers have a choice, the bad is there are little concurrency for workers between manufacturers.
>>52
Money, and specific currencies is/are trust. If someone doesn't trust a system, they don't have to use it. If an economy is to be sustained, some form of currency must exist (otherwise it's just barter trading) - if you think some particular currency can be regulated, and thus is corruptable or already corrupt, all you have to do is use a currency which does not have those bad traits, one example could be BitCoin, although surely it's not the only option available. Well, this would be fine, in principle, but in practice, the world is too entrenched in government controlled currencies, thus such a migration will take time, if it is ever to succeed. Not that anyone prevents fractional reverse banking in BC, but you'd have to be a fool not to recognize the risks involved and collapses would be likely to happen a lot sooner, if people decided to rely on such systems.
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F r o z e n V o i d !!mJCwdV5J0Xy2A212012-01-03 6:08
>>52
Hard currency in form of batteries storing "killwatt dollars" and paper money which is 1:1 transferable to batteries.
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Anonymous2012-01-03 6:09
>>51,54
fuck you furfag why did you start posting again? it was so peaceful in here
>>53 If someone doesn't trust a system, they don't have to use it.
All know, that US dollar is a bubble/ponzi-scheme, yet all use US dollar. Aint you afraid of that?
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Anonymous2012-01-03 17:45
>>53 If an economy is to be sustained
Banking jews probably think, that soon comes some Deus Ex Messiah and saves them from environmental and social disasters, they managed to do with uncontrolled economy growth.
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Anonymous2012-01-03 19:27
Do us proud and fight for your country... But what is a country anyway? Just an imaginary boundary, with a few imaginary ideals thrown in?
Who do you make proud, a country has not a mind and a heart, unlike those who die in the battle...
Really though, i don't expect to get paid handsomly for someone else's work, and why should I(?), perhaps someone might afford me a meal if I really am hungry, and yet this is exactly what every government, large corporation, and etc not only expects but enforces... Why should the richest people get paid the most, for doing the very least?
>>57
People use the US$ because they do have some trust in it. If they didn't trust it, they'd convert their assets from US$ to other currencies or commodities.
>>58
I have no idea what you're trying to say. Would you mind making your language more simpler with less rhetoric?
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Anonymous2012-01-03 20:34
>>62 People use the US$ because they do have some trust in it. If they didn't trust it, they'd convert their assets from US$ to other currencies or commodities.
And the source of trust is ???
I have no idea what you're trying to say. Would you mind making your language more simpler with less rhetoric?
I'm saying, that there is a strict limit to which an economy could grow, without killing this fucking planet with all its retarded inhabitants.
>>59 Why should the richest people get paid the most, for doing the very least?
They studied the art of business and finance and used their skills to carry out some business. The skills involved in running a business are so complex that it really takes a dedicated person to carry them out. You may think they do the least work, but that work is usually mental work that involves long planning, negotiations and paying big money for professional advice. They also have to wait the longest to get their money and in the mean time, they have to use their money to pay other people.
>>63
The fact that there are people who hold US$ implies a certain trust. People lost confidence during the Vietnam war and these people stopped accepting US$ during that time. After the war, people regained confidence and started accepting US$. The US government also accepts their taxes in US$ and so, all US residents must hold it during tax time.
I'm saying, that there is a strict limit to which an economy could grow, without killing this fucking planet with all its retarded inhabitants.
I agree. That's why I try to buy used things whenever possible and try to recycle or lengthen the stuff that I do have. I also try to borrow things whenever possible.
Very true, how long was it between Vista being released and windows 7..?
kind of suprised there isn't a windows 12 yet... (probably scared they'll lose the rest of their customers..)
>>67 i think my first computer was probably that old when i got it =) something like a 20 - 40 MHz box when we had 1.6 GHz machines at school, got it for $50 though // it was still better than nothin'
^^ Going full circle now, with the Planned Obsolescence of Governments, Banks, and Authority in general!! Muahagaha =D that'll teach 'em
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Anonymous2012-01-04 3:58
Get ready for 'Decentralized' Rule by (true) Majority ...
rather than a phony democracy... where we are forced to choose the lesser of two evils...
>>They have no reason producing something you can use for a long time.
Obviously they don't, this is why we have to keep electing new dickheads to fix up the mistakes of the last dickhead...
'Bout time we all just reached a consensus... Let us dispose of all this disposable shit...
We should make it so that when people vote on a law, and 70% are for it while 30% are against it, then the law will be enforced only during 70% of the week. That way, gay couples could be married on Monday and Tuesday, and we could smoke pot on Wednesday, for a couple hours, and we could run red lights every saterday, between 10:12 AM and 10:43 AM, and drive 120 miles per hour on highways for 8 minutes on Sunday.
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Anonymous2012-01-04 4:38
But seriously, you can't elect just one person and not expect them to make mistakes... they might delegate a bit, but not nearly enough...
it's pretty-much impossible for one person to know everything that everyone could know, let alone make decisions which reflect (at least most of) what everyone wants..
...Maybe the bible is right, and man will never be able to rule over himself fairly.. But isn't it even worth accepting this as a challenge, rather than just a fact? almost Certainly we need a new approach to start with..
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Anonymous2012-01-04 4:52
>>71
we have computer machines now, to help us reduce complexity. and the new approach we need is, in fact, somewhat old. it is called 'cybernetics'.
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Anonymous2012-01-04 8:20
>>72
Computers are only as smart as the people writing the software and the operators of the software tools. Don't forget the requirement of entering all the data into the computer database.
>>73 Don't forget the requirement of entering all the data into the computer database.
Today we have Wikipedia, Youtube, Wordnet and search engines, which can react to trends and keep history. But all that data mostly left unused, cause we have no means of processing it into something relevant. There is no way AI can watch documentary about some African country and get info on what word "nigger" means.
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Anonymous2012-01-05 0:56
>>75
And then, how can a machine, knowing nothing about niggers, rule country full of niggers?
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Anonymous2012-01-05 2:14
>>76
``What would a computer do with a lifetime supply of niggers?'' - Siemens System 4004
As we deforest, the soil mineralizes and can no longer support life, so all our efforts to plant trees in these regions to solve the problem would prove futile. This is something that led to the downfall of the Mesopotamians. They were the most advanced civilization of their time due, in part, to their skill with farming, agriculture, and the almighty irrigation. But they grew so rapidly they needed more and more farmland, so the continued to clearcut the land around them and farm and irrigate it. As they did so, desertification took hold which perpetuated their deforestation for more farmland. Eventually, wise Mesopotamians realized what was happening and determined the way to solve the problems was to plant trees. Unfortunately, the trees wouldn’t take. The only trees they could plant in most of their land were olive trees.Tragically though, the problem had grown to such an epic proportion and they found a solution too late. They were not able to counteract their destruction of the natural terrain necessitated by the proliferation of their human habitat and gradually died off as a result of, among other things, famine and drought.