Are We There Yet?

``Simple Made Easy" presentation has sparkled a vivid discussion about state, but many people seem to miss the point completely. They either think that state isn't complex at all and doesn't need to be fixed, or that the alternatives are inherently too slow and inefficient to be taken seriously.

In his another presentation Rich talks about this topic almost exclusively and I guess it's a required watch if you want to understand the first one thoroughly.

http://www.infoq.com/presentations/Are-We-There-Yet-Rich-Hickey

My only problem with Clojure and Haskell are the maturity of the implementations. I wish the developers of the compilers and toolkits for both languages cared more about perfecting performance at this point in time. Until then, I'm stuck with C/C++ and rolling my own sexpr DSLs for data.