Are We There Yet?

``Simple Made Easy" presentation has sparkled a vivid discussion about state, but many people seem to miss the point completely. They either think that state isn't complex at all and doesn't need to be fixed, or that the alternatives are inherently too slow and inefficient to be taken seriously.

In his another presentation Rich talks about this topic almost exclusively and I guess it's a required watch if you want to understand the first one thoroughly.

http://www.infoq.com/presentations/Are-We-There-Yet-Rich-Hickey

>>1
I'll watch your other video, Hickey, but...

They either think that state isn't complex at all and doesn't need to be fixed, or that the alternatives are inherently too slow and inefficient to be taken seriously.
... "they" think that because those are both reasonable statements.  The first statement is stronger than the second, but they are both valid.

>>30
Ok, can't sit through this video.  I got to the part where he claimed that Java has more library support than C++ because C++ doesn't have GC and I can't really take anything else he would have said seriously.  I think I have to take back anything nice I said about his first video, as well.