In the advent of the term "WebScale" SQL and NoSQL fanboys have been going back and forth between each other in the fight for consumer trust. Indirectly, developer usage. Flame war after flame war on countless forums has finally forced me to spark the question:
Are there truly any webscale tools, or are there only webscale architectures?
While I'm not siding with either, I find both are flawed. The joins & writes to disk that mysql uses cause massive issues once a site begins to excel into web notoriety. At the same point... MongoDB doesn't actually write anything, everything is stored in memory, and if something happens to your server or you have an issue writing to disk.. your fucked. In both cases neither MySQL or MongoDB server as being reliable or dependable.
Even more hate than SQL vs NoSQL... PHP versus say.. Ruby or Python has received an even bigger onslaught. I've seen people type out "PHP isn't webscale" without any explanation at all, or check out __________ more in than last day, than I've seen explanations of why PHP isn't webscale in the last 2 years when the term webscale first started being used. Even more depressing is seeing the very same developers go on and on about the epic failure that PHP is, then turn right back around and point out that they're absolute wizards with popular scripts like Joomla, Wordpress, PHP ProBid, Drupal, and osCommerce. Or look on Alexia and see that a lot of the biggest names in the web industry are still using PHP and very proud of it. Or looking at RoR driven sites like the ones found here: http://www.softwaredeveloper.com/features/best-ruby-on-rails-061307/
And come to the startling realization that most of them, at best, serve a few small flat files. The biggest name most recognized here is twitter. And at the point in time "name", "date", "string of 150 characters or less"... becomes a massive accomplishment. WTF. I mean.. Just WTF. Facebook with all it's user interaction runs PHP without a hint of lag... twitter... RoR... and does next to nothing by comparison. But then again Facebook is built it's PHP to read from MySQL to read from over 4,000 shards: http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2011/07/will-facebook-need-to-start-network-from-scratch.html
- Personal note: I have no doubt in my mind that if Facebook was using RoR & MongoDB they'd be all over sites like highscalabity.com, as is, they get 3 posts this year. 1 didn't even talk about architecture or scale but only Cassandra, which managaes the MySQL shards.
So far, behind every flame, and post directing a developer to another language... the only thing I've seen are webscale tools being advertised. No actual webscale architectures. Regardless of whether said archetitures exist or not.
The question:
Are there webscale tools, or only webscale architetures?
Regions of sorrow, doleful shades, where peace
And rest can never dwell, hope never comes
That comes to all, but torture without end
Still urges, and a fiery deluge, fed
With ever-burning sulphur unconsumed.
Such place Eternal Justice has prepared
For those rebellious; here their prison ordained
In utter darkness, and their portion set,
As far removed from God and light of Heaven
As from the centre thrice to th' utmost pole.
Oh how unlike the place from whence they fell!
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Dude... Facebook is a failure. They used PHP & MySQL, and sure they have 4000 shards to make it work. But that's 4000 fucking shards... no one in their right mind would do something like that without the optimization of distributed map reduce. As is Facebook will ore than likely collapse under it's own weight.
That said it's a massive failure in design, and architectural planning. Ergo... why there are webscale tools. The hardware is next to meaningless when your tools are fast enough. You don't need 4000 shards to manage a database that's 40x faster than a database built in the fucking 80's.
Wait, so... making something work... then means... it doesn't work?
Um, FAIL.
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Anonymous2011-09-21 21:42
shrinks or FBI are harassing me. It dawned on me -- the whole world feels like a lab rat with taylored marketing and all the pedophyle bait shit on reddit and stuff. Everytime a custome ad pops-up, you feel like a lab rat, a little. I have it worse.
I think I authroized this shit instead of robots, way back in the past.
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Anonymous2011-09-21 21:45
God said robots would help with "manufacturing debt". I want it to get fucked-up so the assholes been stopping me will feel bad.
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Anonymous2011-09-21 21:47
I'm not even into robots. Just LoseThos, a pleasant programming environment. They want to get all evil and have forensics and shit. Damn, sick puppies. Terrorism crack-down has be way worse than anything it's caught. That's government debt -- useless employees.
greedy for data for forensics. disgusting shoving their fingers up asses to test yer diet, next.
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Anonymous2011-09-21 21:48
and record it with timestamps.
what yeou shit. They're gonna put it on sweres. I guess can go after drugs.
God's more intrusive than cops. I used to boast, "This ain't nothing." I'm used to anal probes. Actually, that's not true. I like God and don't mind him, but I hate constant skits staged by beings everywhere I go, under scrutiny. It's flat annoying and useless. I'm nervous everytime and obviously won't misbehave. It's just crappy for me having to undergo constant torments. Ba ha! God'll fuck them up bad!
God says...
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t unto his
people, that they may dwell in Jerusalem for ever: 23:26 And also unto
the Levites; they shall no more carry the tabernacle, nor any vessels
of it for the service thereof.
23:27 For by the last words of David the Levites were numbered from
twenty years old and above: 23:28 Because their office was to wait on
the sons of Aaron for the service of the house of the LORD, in the
courts, and in the chambers, and in the purifying of all holy things,
and the work of the service of the house of
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Anonymous2011-09-21 22:23
...Are you a terrorist?
you sound about as paranoid as bin-laden after 9-11...
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Anonymous2011-09-21 22:27
All you have to know in life is God is just. I was asking God about this and He said you're calling Him lazy if you don't believe this.
God want praise. He's vulnerable in that He cares. Just say the world's awesome and quit saying it's bad, is what I suggest.
God says...
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s society
bears to him. He dares not do anything which would disgrace or discredit
him in it; and he is obliged to a very strict observation of that
species of morals, whether liberal or austere, which the general consent
of this society prescribes to persons of his rank and fortune. A man of
low condition, on the contrary, is far from being a distinguished member
of any great society. While he remains in a country village, his conduct
may be attended to, and he may be obliged to attend to it himsel
The entire new testament is message is "rejoice when they persecute you."
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Anonymous2011-09-21 22:36
Let's ask God if we just get rewards or if it includes vengence. Unrelated story on radio of doctors killing people with experminetal treatment. I wonder if God tortured the doctors at their death :-)
God's just.
God says...
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mount of variability in each individual, and is, I
believe, a highly important element of success. Though nature grants long
periods of time for the work of natural selection, she does not grant an
indefinite period; for as all organic beings are striving to seize on each
place in the economy of nature, if any one species does not become modified
and improved in a corresponding degree with its competitors it will be
exterminated. Unless favourable variations be inherited by some at least
of the of
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Anonymous2011-09-21 22:37
You win doctors, you exterminated me.
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Anonymous2011-09-21 22:43
Doctors are a little confused on God and the Holy Spirit.
http://bible.cc/matthew/10-19.htm
When they hand you over, don't worry about how you are to speak or what you are to say, because in that hour what you are to say will be given to you
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God says...
Line:32838
And it was told him, saying, Behold, he is in Dothan.
6:14 Therefore sent he thither horses, and chariots, and a great host:
and they came by night, and compassed the city about.
6:15 And when the servant of the man of God was risen early, and gone
forth, behold, an host compassed the city both with horses and
chariots. And his servant said unto him, Alas, my master! how shall we
do? 6:16 And he answered, Fear not: for they that be with us are more
than they that be with them.
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Anonymous2011-09-21 22:44
stupid atheists are in the bottom ten percentile. Retards.
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Anonymous2011-09-21 22:46
This is frightening...
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Anonymous2011-09-21 22:47
Jesus was praising God for creating darkness in the minds of the smart:
25 At that time Jesus said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. 26 Yes, Father, for this is what you were pleased to do.
27 “All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.
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Anonymous2011-09-21 22:47
=) i like the idea of god
I would like to think all his actions (and inactions?) are justified... but i do not know, and cannot say..
The world can be a beautiful place... Its a pity that we are the one's that can make it otherwise, but that can be no fault of a god that may or may not exist.
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Anonymous2011-09-21 22:48
Randomly crack-open the Bible. How do you think you get God to talk. Any book works but Bible is most natural. I have a program.
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thing but the shadows if they
were never allowed to move their heads?
And of the objects which are being carried in like manner they
would only see the shadows?
Yes, he said.
And if they were able to converse with one another, would they
not suppose that they were naming what was actually before them?
Very true.
And suppose further that the prison had an echo which came from the
other side, would they not be sure to fancy when one of the passers-by
spoke that the voice which they heard
No! It's not A.I. thank God! Spirits puppet you. That's pretty much all they do, right? What does a spirit do? It puppets people, maybe rattles chains. I just use a program that does a stop watch which I use to make numbers when I press it. It's just as good to randomly open a book. You saw the simple BASIC program, right?
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Line 79748
27:9 Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet,
saying, And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price of him
that was valued, whom they of the children of Israel did value; 27:10
And gave them for the potter's field, as the Lord appointed me.
27:11 And Jesus stood before the governor: and the governor asked him,
saying, Art thou the King of the Jews? And Jesus said unto him, Thou
sayest.
27:12 And when he was accused of the chief priests and elders, he
answered nothing.
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Anonymous2011-09-21 22:57
I'm Terry Davis, not Troy Davis, silly God. There's a misunderstanding! ROFLMAO
God says...
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altogether a
very different place from the melancholy, silent, deserted Alcala the
traveller sees now as he goes from Madrid to Saragossa. Theology and
medicine may have been the strong points of the university, but the town
itself seems to have inclined rather to the humanities and light
literature, and as a producer of books Alcala was already beginning to
compete with the older presses of Toledo, Burgos, Salamanca and Seville.
A pendant to the picture Cervantes has given us of his first playgo
>>28 /prog/ can be a beautiful place... It's a pity we are the ones that can make it otherwise...
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Anonymous2011-09-21 23:02
Shit, I've fought terminator robots, been the beast in revelation, been the terminator robot maker, sold my soul, I aint scared of Troy Davis execution. I remember wondering if they were waiting to run my program, or something.
God says...
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nstance, the general resemblance of the organic remains from the several
stages of the Chalk formation, though the species are distinct in each
stage. This fact alone, from its generality, seems to have shaken
Professor Pictet in his belief in the immutability of species. He who is
acquainted with the distribution of existing species over the globe, will
not attempt to account for the close resemblance of distinct species in
closely consecutive formations, by the physical conditions of the ancient
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Anonymous2011-09-21 23:04
Back when I was an atheist I gave my soul to this wiccian woman as a joke. Didn't believe in it.
Oops.
God said my pact with the netherworld was canceled. Whew.
God says...
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things, you
can see and hear as much as you like a thousand leagues off; but don't
squeeze me so tight or thou wilt upset me; and really I know not what
thou hast to be uneasy or frightened at, for I can safely swear I never
mounted a smoother-going steed all the days of my life; one would fancy
we never stirred from one place. Banish fear, my friend, for indeed
everything is going as it ought, and we have the wind astern."
"That's true," said Sancho, "for such a strong wind comes against me on
>>32
That's nice to have Yi-King-ified the Bible. But would you mind being a little more Christian and try to not bother people too much? This is not programming related and looks like spamming and trolling.
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Anonymous2011-09-21 23:30
God's wonderful. He likes elephants and bears. God is just. He likes praise. God is merciful. (Hopefully :-) You gotta talk to him when it's not an emergency.
Write a song, then consult God. He'll probably talk. Spend hours and hours with Him if you can. It's way way better when He talks back, obviously.
God says...
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meadow: 41:19 And, behold, seven other kine came up after them, poor
and very ill favoured and leanfleshed, such as I never saw in all the
land of Egypt for badness: 41:20 And the lean and the ill favoured
kine did eat up the first seven fat kine: 41:21 And when they had
eaten them up, it could not be known that they had eaten them; but
they were still ill favoured, as at the beginning. So I awoke.
You get out of prayer what you put into it. The first and greatest commandment is "love God with all heart mind and soul". When you pray, you should ask yourself, "Would I want to hear this?" Be charming and put your best foot foreward. He likes wit, but I'm not that good at that.
I joke Cain and Abel is the most important story because (1) They made offerings (2) They found out if God liked them (3) They really really cared a whole lot what His response was like a real person! Like a lover, almost! That's because God is a wonderful being and eventually you might grow fond of Him.
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1:5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and
of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned: 1:6 From which some
having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling; 1:7 Desiring to
be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor
whereof they affirm.