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Name: Anonymous 2011-08-13 23:02

Carmack does hope that Sony avoids the Cell architecture all together due to the difficulty in development.

Fuck cell! For the Carmack's ために!

Name: Anonymous 2011-08-14 21:00

>>39 disregard that i suck cocks

Name: Anonymous 2011-08-14 21:53

5GHz single core CPU capable of say 60 gigaflops (a single core in a Sandy Bridge is around 16 gigaflops at 2GHz for comparison), and just forget about the 40+ teraflops we could have had with a 256-core in-order x86-64 with 1024-bit wide SIMD compute unit
40TFlops with 256 cores is 156.25GFlops per core. Something doesn't add up (or multiply up) here.

Name: n3n7i 2011-08-14 22:00

>>37

I imagine a simulated brain would be freaking out quite a lot... Where are my legs?! ... Oh shit Where's my heart!?! ... etc (a brain probably has as many inputs as outputs?)

a standard desktop(?) already has enough to simulate a bee's brain supposedly... though there seem's to be issues with getting it to work..

Name: Anonymous 2011-08-14 22:05

>>37
SIM (Substrate Independent Minds) or just "mind uploads" are expected to come in some 15-40 years - currently the technology is good enough for scanning, but preservation technology is still untested and scanning of something like a human brain would take years and a lot of money (not streamlined), and current hardware is too slow (but stuff like HP/DARPA SyNAPSE are likely to increase the speed by many orders of magnitude and make it a practical hardware platform for running biological neural nets).

OpenCog has a roadmap that should deliver results in 10-20 years and their progress has been good and visible (although still a long way to go).

The advantage to OpenCog is basically their architecture and computational cost - they are much better for self-improvement and knowledge-sharing (the damn thing has "telepathy" built-in, you can just merge AGIs' knowledge - imagine reading a book then being able to transfer the knowledge you gained to anyone) and much less costly computationally, however obviously the challenge is much more difficult than just running a human brain (leaving aside the hard challenge of properly converting scanned brain data to abstracted neural nets and also that of getting the chemical content properly marked and identified (just getting synapses+neuron bodies won't give you a complete picture, might not even be functional)).

Obviously human brains are fairly opaque and even if you understand the inner processes, they're still neural networks which make self-improvement fairly hard compared to more high-level approaches.

I think both will be reached, but I also think it's uncertain which will be reached first.

Name: Anonymous 2011-08-14 22:22

>>44

only an over optimistic nut would expect "mind uploads" to be available in 15 years.

OpenCog has been working on AI for at least 14 years with not much to show and according to their roadmap they'll have human level intelligence in 8 years. LOL

Name: Anonymous 2011-08-14 22:55

>>42
I was taking into account the 32-way SIMD instructions that Intel is heading towards with their many-core processors. Current Knights Corner has 6 teraflops with around 50 active cores and so going up by a factor of 4x cores and 2x as wide SIMD and you get 48 teraflops. I was being conservative in my estimate.

Name: Anonymous 2011-08-14 23:34

>>46
Also, you might be wondering.... 6 teraflops / 50 cores = 120 gflops, which is still quite a bit more than a Core i7 core. Knight's Corner has AVX2 or 512-bit wide SIMD, whereas Sandy Bridge only has 256-bit wide SIMD. And then, Sandy Bridge is optimized for doing things like branch prediction, speculative loading, copy data around and working with strings, the kind of stuff that's good for running enterprise applications or web servers or web browsers. All of that extra circuitry doesn't contribute much to the overall flop throughput. Knight's Corner is optimized for crunching numbers, which is more useful for things like graphics or simulations.

Name: Anonymous 2011-08-14 23:40

>>45
Technically the technology to do it (very badly) is already available today. 15 years is the minimum amount of time that I'm giving it, it's not the most likely one. A working case may exist in 15 years, but it might not be what you expect it to be (it might not be one single "mind", it could be a messy mish-mash). 40 years would be my guess for a properly streamlined solution.

Name: Anonymous 2011-08-15 2:59

>>48
Citation needed.

Name: Anonymous 2011-08-15 3:12

>>49
http://www.carboncopies.org/

I could look up the individual citations as I knew of them before I found that site, but whatever, it's less work for me to link that.

Name: Anonymous 2011-08-15 7:54

>>3
The rumors are that Sony is considering a variant of IBM's Power 7 for the Playstation 4

So is the Wii-U, so that's hardly a ringing endorsement.

Name: Anonymous 2011-08-15 13:05

>>51
No, the Wii-U is getting a cheap custom 3-core PowerPC processor, similar to the XBox 360. The Wii-U is nothing but cheap components. Its GPU is essentially a custom variant of an AMD HD4550, and it's getting 1GB of DDR2 800MHz RAM. It is an underwhelming piece of hardware.

Name: Anonymous 2011-08-15 13:36

>>52
Well, consoles always were about OMG OPTIMIZED!! drivers, software, and marketing, not hardware.

Name: Anonymous 2011-08-15 13:51

NOT WORTH MY MONEY

Name: Anonymous 2011-08-15 17:48

>>52
>1gb of ram
more than GPU and normal ram combined for each other system

>amd 4550
[citation needed]
http://www.joystiq.com/2011/06/14/wii-u-graphics-chip-outed-as-last-gen-radeon-which-is-still-pre/
>chip similar to the r770
>the one the 4870 X2 was based on

Name: Anonymous 2011-08-15 18:28

>>55
Confirmed for being a stinking Nintendo furfag. Back to /vp/ please.

Name: Anonymous 2011-08-16 1:14

>>56
Back to the imageboards, please.

Name: Cudder !MhMRSATORI!fR8duoqGZdD/iE5 2013-07-29 0:23

>>24
You're going to love what Intel has got coming.

(No, I'm not referring to Clownlake.)

Name: Anonymous 2013-07-29 0:25

>>58
Next gen of Knight's Corner?

Name: Anonymous 2013-07-29 0:25

Even Cudder's necrobumping!

>>58
Don't keep us in suspense. We've waited two years to hear about this, now put up or shut up.

Name: Cudder !MhMRSATORI!fR8duoqGZdD/iE5 2013-07-29 0:35

>>59
Exact opposite... I quoted >>24 for a reason.

Name: Anonymous 2013-07-29 0:38

>>61
Intel has finally realized what a monstrosity their architecture has become and has finally decided to switch to RISC?

Name: Cudder !MhMRSATORI!fR8duoqGZdD/iE5 2013-07-29 1:16

>>62
Never going to happen. The future is CISC.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tianhe-2
All Intel Inside®.

Name: Anonymous 2013-07-29 3:43

When is it going to happen again when a person or two will be able to completely homebrew their own processor design and even fabricate it at home?

Name: Anonymous 2013-07-29 3:56

>>64
reported for subvertive terrorist plans. enjoy your v&.

Name: Anonymous 2013-07-29 3:57

>>65
reported for not checking dubz.

Name: Anonymous 2013-07-29 4:12

>>63
ARM is going to destroy Intel and shit on Moore's grave.

Name: Anonymous 2013-07-29 6:24

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Name: Cudder !MhMRSATORI!fR8duoqGZdD/iE5 2013-07-29 6:29

>>67
Keep dreaming.

Intel 486DX2 0.8 DMIPS/MHz/core
ARM Cortex-M3 1.25 DMIPS/MHz/core
Intel Pentium 1.88 DMIPS/MHz/core
ARM Cortex-A8 2.0 DMIPS/MHz/core
Intel Atom N270 2.4 DMIPS/MHz/core
ARM Cortex-A57 "up to" 4.76 DMIPS/MHz/core according to ARM, in practice closer to ~4
AMD Athlon XP 2500+ 4.1 DMIPS/MHz/core
Core i7 2600K 9.43 DMIPS/MHz/core

Don't even bother asking about FPU performance; ARM absolutely sucks in that area, more than order of magnitude behind.

That's architecture advantage, not process advantage.

Name: Anonymous 2013-07-29 6:55

>>69
I'd be interested to see a similar table with per watt specs.

Name: Anonymous 2013-07-29 7:13

>>65
v&
stay on /b/, kid

Name: Anonymous 2013-07-29 7:13

Shalom, cudder-kike!
muh intel
muh windows

Name: Cudder !MhMRSATORI!fR8duoqGZdD/iE5 2013-07-30 4:47

Name: Anonymous 2013-07-30 6:05

>>73
sponsored by IntelTM

Name: Cudder !MhMRSATORI!fR8duoqGZdD/iE5 2013-07-30 6:09

>>74
And your point is?

Name: Anonymous 2013-07-30 6:15

>>75
never believe sponsored "research". specially if it's sponsored by jews.

Name: Anonymous 2013-07-30 6:16

>>75
are you really female, Cudder?

Name: Cudder !MhMRSATORI!fR8duoqGZdD/iE5 2013-07-30 6:47

>>76
You can reproduce the results yourself, idiotic antisemtist.

Name: Anonymous 2013-07-30 6:51

>>78
you are a dumb cunt. plz die.

Name: Anonymous 2013-07-30 7:12

>>77
not female at all. females can't into computers.

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